1st hand wsop. Some donk goes all in, u got AA. Do u call ???

[SengioKang]

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It's not just retarded, it's borderline lead paint chip buffet eaten by high voltage power lines next to a leaking nuclear reactor retarded.

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but, if you eat survive eating nuclear paint chips doesn't that make you superman???

i don't know who said this but i'm stealing their quote "don't fold AA pre ever, unless you don't like money"

i think this year Jamie Gold's mom was Day 1 chip leader w/ something like 105k. you quad up thru 3 people and you're halfway there.

the only spot i'd consider folding AA (and I have before) is on the money bubble when i'm facing elimination vs payday.

and if you're going to fold the BEST HAND in the game.... what hands are you really willing to play?

you're guaranteed to get on TV with this hand too.... so, if that's all you're at the WSOP for, make a big spectacle and some noise... jump up and down like hevad khan.... lure a cameraman over... and you'll be on tv like kate hudson's brother getting felted by farha's AA vs his A10 on A 10 10 flop.

and if you have the luxury of being at one of the few tables with hole card cams this early and Norman Chad sees you fold AA preflop, he will make so much fun of you that you will never be able to show your face near any casino, poker room, pool hall, or even a bingo hall!!! EVER!!!

and that is something you don't want.

[ChipSpeak]

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the only spot i'd consider folding AA (and I have before) is on the money bubble when i'm facing elimination vs payday.

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See that's the problem with these threads, statements like this help the new guys to think.. ohh maybe i better tighten up on the bubble... There are so many things wrong with that statement, I don't know where to begin. You will never be in a situation where folding AA on the bubble of a normal payout FO where it's +EV, $EV, +*&^%$^*&EV to fold AA, especially on the bubble, people are thinking like you and folding everything... if you punish them on the bubble like you should, you get looked up by pissed peoples by the time you pick up this hand...

P.S. man card please.

[erc007]

Depends...is it red aces...or black aces...gets confusing if it's one red, and one black...if the black one is a spade...or the red one is a heart...well...hmmmmmmm...

[SengioKang]

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See that's the problem with these threads, statements like this help the new guys to think.. ohh maybe i better tighten up on the bubble... There are so many things wrong with that statement,

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ok.. so EP raise, then reraise, all in shove, then the chip leader overcalls... then when one of the people might be eliminated making you be in the money instead of out in 61st when 60 pay and you're short (granted the cost/ benefit and possibility of 5 upping is totally thrown out the window... cuz against 4 pocket pairs, your chances of winning the hand are narrowed and who wants to flip when it means 61 and no money) ????

the whole point is "if you need the payout and are worried about buy in cost, you can fold (it's a play i'd be making if i satellited into the main event for $20 and one more person being out was the difference between 15k and $0).... if you don't care about the result or the money then call"

i didn't say that i make it a practice to fold AA PRE on the bubble..... but i have before..... and i am sure there will be 1 or more goofy situations that i am just not comfortable seeing when i have to do it again. sorry if this is an advanced play that comes up in rare spots... but if world champion poker players like action dan and doctor sklansky can write stories about times that it's not necessarily wrong to fold, then they must be wrong too according to your logic.


don't tell me that i'm telling people to tighten up on the bubble either...
all i did was site one specific example of a time that it might not be horrendously bad to fold them pre. which was certainly not like the first hand of the main event where you're trying to accumulate, as opposed to the bubble where you might be trying to just survive til a payday

[ShipitFMA]

This really depends, are the aces red or are they black?

[ZenMusician]

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 01.133% 01.39% 04.76% 227713 778695.63 { AA }
Hand 1: 11.132% 01.39% 04.76% 227608 778698.63 { J5 }
Hand 2: 14.942% 14.97% 00.01% 2451103 847.13 { 7s6s }
Hand 3: 15.868% 15.90% 00.01% 2602963 847.13 { 9d8d }
Hand 4: 15.603% 15.63% 00.01% 2559605 847.13 { Skip, Draw Two }
Hand 5: 05.219% 13.24% 00.01% 2168345 847.13 { 5h4h }
Hand 6: 19.655% 11.67% 00.01% 1911688 847.13 { Joker, Joker }
Hand 7: 16.447% 16.48% 00.01% 2698161 847.13 { Rules, Coupon }


Guys, please stop arguing! AA is only 1% here!!

-ZEN

[SengioKang]

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This really depends, are the aces red or are they black?

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if you're using a 4 color deck... isn't it like the old adage for disarming a bomb...
"red you're dead, blue you're thru?"

so never play with red rockets... and spew yourself all over the wall