Hugo Chavez Death Pool Thread

[The once and future king]

Chavez is attempting to deploy the State against the elite banking class, most states are deployed by and for the elite banking class. looks like the US media has done a good job getting all sides of the sheep paddock baaing in unison.

Every story I have seen about Chavez goes like this:

Sensational headline playing on all the stereotypes and fears of the american/western public which then evaporates under sober factual analysis. Public as with most issues rarely bothers to look at the sober analysis.

[valenzuela]

The fact that USA has intervened in Latin America doesnt imply that countries can either be USA puppets or totally anti-american.

[ConstantineX]

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Chavez is attempting to deploy the State against the elite banking class, most states are deployed by and for the elite banking class. looks like the US media has done a good job getting all sides of the sheep paddock baaing in unison.

Every story I have seen about Chavez goes like this:

Sensational headline playing on all the stereotypes and fears of the american/western public which then evaporates under sober factual analysis. Public as with most issues rarely bothers to look at the sober analysis.

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Hmm. The "elite banking class". Interesting.
From the [censored] New York Times:

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The major threat to the economy comes from the exchange rate. Oil caused the bolívar to be overvalued. Farms and factories are in trouble. They can’t export and must compete at home with products imported at the official exchange rate, which is now about a third of the market rate. And so the country is awash in artificially cheap imported products, from basic foodstuffs, like Brazilian cooking oil, to fancy cars. “Our productive capacity is too weak to create jobs,” Petkoff says. “But we consume like a rich country."

The disparity between the official exchange rate (2,150 bolívars to the dollar) and the black-market rate (6,200 bolívars at press time) has created a new class known as the Boliburgesía. Bankers, traders, anyone who works in finance or commerce, can get very rich manipulating the exchange rates. Buy all the imported whiskey and Hummers you want, is the message. Live a life of wild excess. Just don’t try to produce anything.


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An Inconvenient Truth to the class struggle message, no?

Edit: Another Financial Times Article. Title: Bankers Get Rich From Chavez's Revolution

[The once and future king]

Well to be clear Im not talking about a class struggle.

More of a class pawnage along the lines of International elite banking class pawning everyone else. Im not talking about a working class struggle etc in any way.

Venezuala has a current account surplus of around 7 billion thanks to oil. Chavez is spending that on ponies for everyone and I assumed that would be one in the eye for the Banking class, group hegemony etc. Turns out that they are clever that I first thought and even that turns to their advantage.

Though as the end of your link states, this might be all about to change.

[ConstantineX]

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Well to be clear Im not talking about a class struggle.

More of a class pawnage along the lines of International elite banking class pawning everyone else. Im not talking about a working class struggle etc in any way.

Venezuala has a current account surplus of around 7 billion thanks to oil. Chavez is spending that on ponies for everyone and I assumed that would be one in the eye for the Banking class, group hegemony etc. Turns out that they are clever that I first thought and even that turns to their advantage.

Though as the end of your link states, this might be all about to change.

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Well that begs the question then: Is Chavez battling the International Elite Banking Class or allied with them? Is he really a True Socialist? And if those damn clever bankers are finding yet another way to profit, how can true socialism ever be enacted?

Meh, me, power-hungry myself, I prefer Mao's early approach: just claim you have to build up capitalism to its zenith, so that the True Democratic Socialism emerges from the ashes. It's a great excuse.

[The once and future king]

Fed seems keen to devalue the dollar. Chavez wants to price Oil in euros. Coincidence?

[xorbie]

I really do respect the revolutionary attitude of South American countries and have no problem with the socialist movements there, but I just can't find much on Chavez that makes me hopeful.

[boracay]

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Put me down for $10 on the Chavez regime lasting 8 years, and killing 1 million.

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These numbers sound somehow familiar. Hmmm....

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

The juxtaposition of "Hugo Chavez" and "death" always brings a smile to my face. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

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Put me down for $10 on the Chavez regime lasting 8 years, and killing 1 million.

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As I've said before, if we had to attack and occupy an oil producing country run by a brutal dictator, Venezuela was a better choice than Iraq.