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#32
06-20-2006, 06:44 PM
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Re: fairest way to handle situation?
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It sounds like randy had tried this angle shoot in the past and that is why he is so defensive about the play...the point is that no matter how much money is at stake the player exposing his cards affected play for everyone else and that is NOT acceptable...no more than telling a player how to play a hand or showing your hand to another player when another guy is all in... Just kicking them out is a start but if he walks out with the pot then what is the punishment.... [/ QUOTE ] Why does there need to be punishment? He made a mistake you tell him not to do it again. If he can't conduct himself as a gentleman he has to leave. Poker does not have a system of fines where we take money form people for being rude. The way poker works is if you put your money in and have the best hand you win; doesn't matter if you are standing, showing your hand, or plain smell bad there is no offense you can committ where we take the pot from the best hand and give it to the second best hand. If you ever find yourself thinking the second place hand should get the pot over the best hand you have a seriously misguided idea of how things work. 
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#33
06-20-2006, 10:05 PM
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Re: fairest way to handle situation?
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It sounds like randy had tried this angle shoot in the past and that is why he is so defensive about the play... [/ QUOTE ] 1. You obviously don't know whom you're talking about. You can count on one hand the number of people I've met in poker rooms whom I would trust with my entire bankroll, and Randy's on that list. 2. As others have pointed out, there's no "angle shoot" here. The player who prematurely exposed his cards gained absolutely nothing by doing so.
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#34
06-20-2006, 10:42 PM
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The player who prematurely exposed his cards gained absolutely nothing by doing so. [/ QUOTE ] NIT: He gains about 0.7%. Insurance against Turn/River coming AA, QQ, or KTs. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#35
06-21-2006, 12:26 AM
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Re: fairest way to handle situation?
As poker continues to grow, you will run into many people that do not know the rules of casino poker, namely online players used to having everything done for them. The winning hand should be awarded the pot, CO should have the rule and its importance explained, and SB can receive some empathy. If CO continues to expose hands after that, then he can be shown the door. You can talk about EV all you want, but think big picture. Let's assume he is new to casino poker. He's had a pot which he should have won taken away from him and then he's asked to leave. Confused, he leaves upset, never to play in a casino again. Now everyone has lost.
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#36
06-21-2006, 01:59 PM
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Re: fairest way to handle situation?
As well as protecting the other possible caller whom could be his friend...
In response to youtalkfunny...i was teasing about saying he must have tried it as I have seen so many of his posts and he always seems to be on the side of fairness... As for the others that think it is unfairly harsh...it would quickly solve this type of issue. It seems unfair to reward the player for bad behavior...asking him to leave afterwards doesn't help the players who may have been cost money by his lack of etiquette
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#37
06-21-2006, 08:44 PM
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Re: fairest way to handle situation?
the ruling was just that he gets a warning and the play stands. i was SB, obviously, and i was pretty outraged at the rule... i think giving warnings to crap like this that can cost someone else a whole lot of money is not enough of a disincentive. i think that's what brooklyn poker was getting at... i see this crap all the time and if there were harsher consequences it just wouldn't happen.
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#38
06-21-2006, 09:07 PM
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i was SB, obviously, and i was pretty outraged at the rule... [/ QUOTE ] And what do you think would have been fair?
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#39
06-21-2006, 10:32 PM
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Re: fairest way to handle situation?
Thanks Fslexcduck...
That is exactly what I'm getting at...in any other sport/game the penalties are much stiffer for breaking the rules and more often than not they are financial in nature. Short of hitting the player in the pocket every other form of discipline (making him leave) will just lead him to think that he can get away with the behaviour once or twice per session depending on when dealers, players, florrs etc rotate away from his game
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