Brad Lidge - rut roh

[Aceshigh7]

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it's what he gets for the blasphemy declaring he was the best closer in baseball

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Umm, I don't recall him saying that and I actually highly doubt he would.

There were some in the media that called him that, and based on the incredible way that he was dominating, it was completely justified.

[ColdCaller]

Wagner is a severe injury risk with a huge propensity to collapse. I'm not taking a kid who is under six feet tall and throws 100 mph. As cool as it is to watch him shatter bats and scare the [censored] out of hitters, that is not sustainable.

[Hack]

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Wagner is a severe injury risk with a huge propensity to collapse. I'm not taking a kid who is under six feet tall and throws 100 mph. As cool as it is to watch him shatter bats and scare the [censored] out of hitters, that is not sustainable.

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not saying itis at all. all i'm saying is that he was a better pitcher last year and for his career, injury risks aside.

[Aceshigh7]

Your boy Wagner blew 9 saves (including 5 in a row) in 2000.

Not to mention his propensity to blow the most crucial of games.

Lidge has been more successful thus far than Wagner was when he was at this stage of his career.

[Hack]

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Your boy Wagner blew 9 saves (including 5 in a row) in 2000.

Not to mention his propensity to blow the most crucial of games.

Lidge has been more successful thus far than Wagner was when he was at this stage of his career.

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Wagner is not my boy. I'm not even a Phillies/Mets fan. And what about Lidge in the big games last year? He gave up runs in two World Series games.

As for the Astros, I never saw a weaker display of baseball in my life. Only proves how weak the NL as a whole is I guess, with two consecutive AL sweeps.

[Aceshigh7]

One more thing.

2006 thus far..

Lidge - 2 blown saves in 9 opportunities.

Wagner - 2 blown saves in 7 opportunities.

[Hack]

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One more thing.

2006 thus far..

Lidge - 2 blown saves in 9 opportunities.

Wagner - 2 blown saves in 7 opportunities.

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Sample size, not to mention that all 3 of the runs that Wagner allowed today were unearned.

And Wagner has a ERA of 0.82 while Lidge's is barely under 7. Your arguments are awful.

Your argument, again, is stupid, and you can't argue that Lidge is better than Wagner this year.

[Aceshigh7]

ERA is not as important for a reliever as for a starter. ERA's can be inflated by just a couple of bad outings.

If you think that ERA is so important, I guess you would have to agree that Clemens deserved the Cy Young more than Carpenter did last year no?

The only thing that matters is that Lidge has gotten the job done 7 out of 9 times. Wagner has gotten the job done 5 out of 7.

[Hack]

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ERA is not as important for a reliever as for a starter. ERA's can be inflated by just a couple of bad outings.

If you think that ERA is so important, I guess you would have to agree that Clemens deserved the Cy Young more than Carpenter did last year no?

The only thing that matters is that Lidge has gotten the job done 7 out of 9 times. Wagner has gotten the job done 5 out of 7.

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That's not the only thing that matters, you nit. Haven't you ever heard of sample size. Wagner has a WHIP of .90. Lidge's is 1.80. Lidge has allowed twice the number of baserunners as Wagner has this year, and it's through sheer luck that he hasn't blown more saves. It's also important to point out that Wagner has been used in more one-run lead situations than Lidge this year.

You lose.

JOA, sic this guy.

[Stat Boy]

these guys have pitched in games other than save situations. Lidge gave up a bomb in the top of the 10th against washington and didn't get a loss cause his team bailed him out in the bottom of the inning.