another bad river bet-call

[chezlaw]

stars 5/10

Villian is a tough card-reading type capable of moves

I open raise button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], BB calls

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

villian check-calls

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

villian check-raises, I call

River: A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

villian check-raises, I call

He thinks I played this bad and I think his probably right. Thoughts?

Ta

[reutel]

Why would you bet the turn? I think you have to take a free card there. I think I would bet/call in the end as well, and hate myself for it.

[mvoss]

I understand why you bet the turn, but I think a check is better. I also check behind on the river, you aren't going to make a lot of money betting the river against a tough player IMO.

[gehrig]

calling is fine

nuts or nothing

[milesdyson]

Just wanted to post a link to another thread which might make sense to read along with this hand.

I am villain in Chezlaw's hand above.

Other hand.

[milesdyson]

I hate my river play even though I don't like your river bet. I say I don't like it because I won't bluff raise here nearly often enough for you to want to induce it. I don't expect you to ever be bluffing on the river, so I would never check call a made hand instead of betting. So, I'm (pretty much always) just check folding worse hands or check raising better hands, mixed in with a check raise bluff maybe like 1/20 times (which should be 0/20 times)

[gehrig]

milesdyson tags cc the river with worse hands all the time how is someone supposed to know that u specifically wont

[milesdyson]

I play with chezlaw all the time. Obviously he doesn't know, just like I don't know that he wouldn't bet QJ on that river if I checked to him. Gotta make some assumptions though.

POKERSTARS GAME #9447898784: HOLD'EM LIMIT ($5/$10) - 2007/04/16 - 03:09:41 (ET)
Table 'Suttung' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: coinsofmerit ($145 in chips)
Seat 2: ysscky ($210 in chips)
Seat 3: kryptobear ($150 in chips)
Seat 4: MochaMocha ($137 in chips)
Seat 6: chezlaw ($384 in chips)
coinsofmerit: posts small blind $2
ysscky: posts big blind $5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ysscky [9s 8h]
kryptobear: folds
RedInferno joins the table at seat #5
MochaMocha: folds
chezlaw: raises $5 to $10
coinsofmerit: folds
ysscky: calls $5
*** FLOP *** [5h Tc 9h]
ysscky: checks
chezlaw: bets $5
ysscky: calls $5
*** TURN *** [5h Tc 9h] [5s]
ysscky: checks
chezlaw: bets $10
ysscky: raises $10 to $20
chezlaw: calls $10
*** RIVER *** [5h Tc 9h 5s] [As]
ysscky: checks
chezlaw: bets $10
ysscky: raises $10 to $20
chezlaw: calls $10
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ysscky: shows [9s 8h] (two pair, Nines and Fives)
chezlaw: shows [4h Ah] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
ysscky said, "meh, sick call"
chezlaw collected $110 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $112 | Rake $2
Board [5h Tc 9h 5s As]
Seat 1: coinsofmerit (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: ysscky (big blind) showed [9s 8h] and lost with two pair, Nines and Fives
Seat 3: kryptobear folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: MochaMocha folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: chezlaw (button) showed [4h Ah] and won ($110) with two pair, Aces and Fives

[Oink]

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I hate my river play even though I don't like your river bet. I say I don't like it because I won't bluff raise here nearly often enough for you to want to induce it. I don't expect you to ever be bluffing on the river, so I would never check call a made hand instead of betting. So, I'm (pretty much always) just check folding worse hands or check raising better hands, mixed in with a check raise bluff maybe like 1/20 times (which should be 0/20 times)

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So you checked assuming Chez would play the river bad? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]. Well that is not nice!

If I played this hand against Miles I would check the turn a lot if not always and I would never bet the river. River checks on A's by good players who has shown strength = SEXY so often!

[milesdyson]

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I hate my river play even though I don't like your river bet. I say I don't like it because I won't bluff raise here nearly often enough for you to want to induce it. I don't expect you to ever be bluffing on the river, so I would never check call a made hand instead of betting. So, I'm (pretty much always) just check folding worse hands or check raising better hands, mixed in with a check raise bluff maybe like 1/20 times (which should be 0/20 times)

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So you checked assuming Chez would play the river bad? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]. Well that is not nice!

If I played this hand against Miles I would check the turn a lot if not always and I would never bet the river. River checks on A's by good players who has shown strength = SEXY so often!

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I checked because I was going to check fold. While he waited to bet, I changed my mind and basically was ready to click raise as soon as he bet. If my raise would end up being delayed after his bet, I would have just folded. So maybe he owned me by waiting a little to bet. I don't think he had an easy time calling because he tanked for like 10 seconds.