Spirit Mountain Trip Report

[MrWookie]

Getting 10 or 12:1 on that J7 flop, folding middle pair is a mistake.

[cold_cash]

Something I was thinking about when I read this: I've played quite a bit of low limit live poker, and I've seen a very, VERY small amount of checkraises.

[DrModern]

I think the J7 hand is fine, you're getting like 10:1 on the flop call.

Raise the flop in the flush hand for sure.

[Befolder]

That's another thing I'm going to comment on in my summary. I have a really hard time tracking the pot live. Something I need to work on. Knowing there were a lot of bets in the pot was surely a reason I called, but not knowing exactly bothered my. I need practice counting as the bets are going in. Anybody have tricks?

I finally started computing my odds mentally playing online months ago, but I kind of abandoned it these past two days, which I hate.

[Befolder]

Yes, I think they typically think it's unfriendly. I did it several times, but no one openly criticized me, like I'd care.
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[Befolder]

Oh two other live experiences I forgot were in the Bay Area of CA on another training trip. Something Garden near Cupertino, a card room and nothing else. Ended up $120 there. Later that week I went to Bay 101 w/ my cousins bf. Up $80 there. All 2/4, which was way out of my comfort level at the time.

[Befolder]

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The Spruce Goose exhibit is awesome.

Also, I think you took the long way.


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I took whatever way Mapquest told me, but there sure were a lot of roads to take. Weird route. 26 to 217 to I-5 to 22 to 18 probably faster? I just hate that it takes me in a circle away from my destination for 15 miles before heading south again.

[Thrakkar]

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That's another thing I'm going to comment on in my summary. I have a really hard time tracking the pot live. Something I need to work on. Knowing there were a lot of bets in the pot was surely a reason I called, but not knowing exactly bothered my. I need practice counting as the bets are going in. Anybody have tricks?

I finally started computing my odds mentally playing online months ago, but I kind of abandoned it these past two days, which I hate.

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No tricks for counting the bets, but a "trick" for a quick estimate of your odds: The rule of 13!
On the river outs + odds = 13 (from 5 to 9 outs, which is the most relevant part). So with 5 outs you need about 8-to-1 odds to continue.

This is a rough estimate that neglects the decimals, but for a live game that's better than pulling out a cheat sheet. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[22pajo]

2+2 Forum lingo learning moment coming up:

What the hell is this "balla" thing you guys are on about?

[Befolder]

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That's another thing I'm going to comment on in my summary. I have a really hard time tracking the pot live. Something I need to work on. Knowing there were a lot of bets in the pot was surely a reason I called, but not knowing exactly bothered my. I need practice counting as the bets are going in. Anybody have tricks?

I finally started computing my odds mentally playing online months ago, but I kind of abandoned it these past two days, which I hate.

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No tricks for counting the bets, but a "trick" for a quick estimate of your odds: The rule of 13!
On the river outs + odds = 13 (from 5 to 9 outs, which is the most relevant part). So with 5 outs you need about 8-to-1 odds to continue.

This is a rough estimate that neglects the decimals, but for a live game that's better than pulling out a cheat sheet. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Is that easier than the rule of 4 & 2. That's easy for me online, but I do have to know the pot to use it.

Flop: Outs x 4 is chances of making hand by river.
Turn: Outs x 2 is chances there.

Help me understand the Rule of 13 better. Is it outs + odds of making the hand? The only other option for odds I can think of is pot odds and I don't think that's what you meant.