Dealer calls time on player

[uncleshady]

And in late breaking news I ran into the actual dude who made the bluff and got the clock called on him. Nice enough guy, although I couldnt figure out why he was still playing in that casino.

[RunDownHouse]

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What's he supposed to do, wait 30 minutes before saying something?

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I would guess he's supposed to wait for one of the players to speak up before calling the floor.

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This isn't a $250,000 decision we're talking about here. Crap, or get off the pot.

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The pot is about $800 on the river. So what's big enough? $1k? $2k? $10k? Maybe we should leave that up to dealer discretion, too. He can even poll the players involved and see how big the pot is relative to their salaries, and then make the call on whether the decision is significant or not.

[bav]

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This isn't a $250,000 decision we're talking about here. Crap, or get off the pot.

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The pot is about $800 on the river. So what's big enough?

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The exact formula for how much time you get:

30 seconds plus (1 / BigBlind) seconds per dollar

(where "dollar" refers to the size of bet you're facing, not the pot size). Then the clock is called.

So for a $300 bet in 1/2 game, you can have 30+300/2 = 180 seconds and the clock is called. A $500 decision in a NL2/5 game gets you 30+500/5 = 130 seconds before the clock starts.

Someone tell Bob Ciaffone to write this into his rules and remember to add a codicil to adjust for inflation and leap seconds.

[Quadstriker]

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How can anyone think the dealer is out of line here?

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Trust me, if the nits in here had their way, half the dealers in the world would be jobless

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EXACTLY! How many times do you see retards in here who's kneejerk reaction to ANY question about a dealer is "OMG I WOULD DEMAND THE DEALER BE FIRED!!!1!" These people need to shut up and join the real world.

[Quadstriker]

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i'm asking the floor for the dealer to be fired.

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And you will be laughed at. Most rooms have a "You have x amt. of time to act on your hand" and want the dealer to move the game along. You can bitch and moan about him doing his job all you want, just makes you look like the douche.

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um, no.

you stupid idiot.

while the dealer's job is to make sure the game goes smoothly, and to be effiencent, it's not the dealer's job to call the floor if the dealer feels that person is taking time to make a tough decision.

that's only up to the players at the table.

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You could not be more wrong. Have a nice day.

[LasVegasMichael]

Props to the dealer for keeping a speedy game.

There are many times I have wanted to call a clock on a player, but haven't to avoid dissention at the table. I would prefer a standard clock on a player to be standard (i.e. 1-2 minutes tops), but since it isn't, a dealer getting involved is more then fine with me. Wish all dealers would.

[terp]

this forum is so full of nits. thank god a dealer is actually interested in moving a game along and being proactive. the dealer is in the best position to call time since

1) his basic duties include controlling and regulating the game
2) he is unlike the other players

i completely agree with microbob. i hate sitting and watching WPT wannabes "agonize" over retarded decisions for longer than 15 seconds.

i had a guy buy in to my 1/2 NL game for $40, smoothcall a $15 raise and then look distressed when it got reraised enough to put him all in. he flipped over 109o (closing the action) and looked utterly pissed off for being put to this decision (preflop!). and yet he still didn't fold for almost a minute! i finally looked over at him and said, "dude what the [censored] are you doing, you have 10 high, this isn't the [censored] world series, go play blackjack with your twenty bucks."

i wish there were some more standards for this kind of thing that were automatically triggered after, say, half a minute. i think most of us could appreciate that.

[terp]

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This isn't a $250,000 decision we're talking about here. Crap, or get off the pot.

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The pot is about $800 on the river. So what's big enough? $1k? $2k? $10k? Maybe we should leave that up to dealer discretion, too. He can even poll the players involved and see how big the pot is relative to their salaries, and then make the call on whether the decision is significant or not.

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yeah, i also don't think pot size should be a big influence on whether or not to trigger these time calls. in NL poker you can be put to a decision for your stack. if you are not comfortable with this, don't play.

[AKQJ10]

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the second the hand is over, i'm asking the floor for the dealer to be fired.

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Such melodrama!

I've never seen so many people who each work in a job where the first "mistake" (including transgression of poorly-communicated or never-communicated norms) is grounds for termination. I'm sure our economy would be much better with a 97% unemployment rate though. At least none of us would ever get bored in a job again.

Of course, no one could possibly be so self-centered as to demand a "one strike and you're out" policy for dealers without submitting to one in their own work, so I won't even suggest that possibility.

[jjshabado]

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Props to the dealer for keeping a speedy game.

There are many times I have wanted to call a clock on a player, but haven't to avoid dissention at the table. I would prefer a standard clock on a player to be standard (i.e. 1-2 minutes tops), but since it isn't, a dealer getting involved is more then fine with me. Wish all dealers would.

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Seriously, grow some balls. I hate it when people can't stand up for themselves. Like I said somewhere else, you have a choice. Speak up or don't. Live with the consequences either way.

If you want it to be the dealer's job to call time, great, campaign to have the rules changed. I'd even support it. But the fact of the matter is, it is NOT THE DEALER's job to call time (at least as far as I know, and I haven't seen anything on here to counter that).