JJ vs. thac - NL$100

[EMc]

Thac is not calling with a Q here PF IMO

[Hail Eris]

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u check and he bets n e non pair hands here and some smaller pairs as well. he will also likely bet Qx but i doubt he has many combos of Qx here. so imo his range is a few random draws, low pps, and then a few Qx hands.

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So his range for betting is flushes, Qs, draws, and air. Surely this is an argument for C/R, not C/C, especially since every river is gross and playing correctly is impossible. The only problem is that he shouldn't really have a Queen from PF, and even if he does, this is a pretty standard pot control spot, no?

I think B/C is not insane here. B/F is obviously the worst line by far, since he's raising like almost his entire range (the only question is, how much of it is bluffs/semibluffs). Even if he doesn't raise, you're still beat, because it means he has a Q.

C/F is obviously perfectly fine. I see a villain description of "17/14", "straightforward", and "abc". None of this really inclines me to play for stacks on the turn.

[Xanta]

No QK or QJ? I would think those are def in his range pre, maybe I'm wrong, never played with him.

[corsakh]

Please don't tell me you are calling with KQ and JQ in this spot.

[Xanta]

Preflop I'll call with KQs and QJs intending to steal a lot of pots from position if the openers got a PFR of over 16/17 or so, don't see anything wrong with that. Obviously it's better from a CO/Button situation but I think it's fine for thac here.

BTW I would never c/r turn without a sick read on how villain plays draws, but I think it's worth at least a bit of thought.

[corsakh]

How exactly do you steal? Call the flop UI and pray he does not second barrel? Ever worried about ROI? Tried 3betting those hands instead? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Calling CO opening with KQs is even worse.

[Profish2285]

corsakh, you always 3 bet or fold KQ pf?

[corsakh]

Pretty much always. I might call a maniac.

[kaz2107]

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u check and he bets n e non pair hands here and some smaller pairs as well. he will also likely bet Qx but i doubt he has many combos of Qx here. so imo his range is a few random draws, low pps, and then a few Qx hands.

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So his range for betting is flushes, Qs, draws, and air. Surely this is an argument for C/R, not C/C, especially since every river is gross and playing correctly is impossible. The only problem is that he shouldn't really have a Queen from PF, and even if he does, this is a pretty standard pot control spot, no?

I think B/C is not insane here. B/F is obviously the worst line by far, since he's raising like almost his entire range (the only question is, how much of it is bluffs/semibluffs). Even if he doesn't raise, you're still beat, because it means he has a Q.

C/F is obviously perfectly fine. I see a villain description of "17/14", "straightforward", and "abc". None of this really inclines me to play for stacks on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]cr...??? wut hands is he calling a cr on the turn with that we beat??? hmmm i cant name n e except maybe a fd (havent looked at wut odds he would b gettin n stuff but blah at that)

[Profish2285]

Well I mean I dont usually 3 bet KQ against people from the first two spots without a good read so I guess this is a fold pre flop then.