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11-18-2007, 07:57 PM
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Re: How Kenny Tran Rates Internet Players
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[ QUOTE ] If he's not considering Patrik Antonius to be product of online poker, he clearly doesn't even know what he's talking about. PA made his name and bankroll online. [/ QUOTE ] No. That is a side issue. He has certain people in mind. He knew that some people would consider Patrik an internet player so he just wanted to make clear that for the purposes of this discussion he didn't. But that doesn't necessarily mean that he would put him in the top twenty either. Also, when he said, they can't lay down a hand, he meant in live games where he considered it a mistake. He told me about a hand where his well known internet opponent could have saved tens of thousands of dolllars if he would have made what Kenny considered the obvious play of folding two kings preflop. I guess that fold is never made in internet games. [/ QUOTE ] It's very very true in most cases. You can't lay down KK for one buy-in online. You absolutely can live (especially in lower limits)... simply because 3betting and 4betting are super rare. My first hand when I was in Vegas my last trip I had TT on a TQK flop. I lead, get raised and another player pushes. Online this is a fist pump + call, live I knew I was up against at least one straight (KK and QQ weren't present in their ranges due to pre-flop). Same trip I also correctly mucked KK preflop. Kenny is forgetting the key element that makes a great player great... their ability to adapt to table conditions. If you're an online player who couldn't pick up on those adaptations in a live game, maybe you aren't as well rounded as you thought? 
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11-18-2007, 09:38 PM
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Re: How Kenny Tran Rates Internet Players
Many of the Internet guys have no idea how much they give up playing live.
I assume Aba knows by now why he got smoked live after the live guys got some hands in against him...
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#3
11-18-2007, 09:39 PM
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Re: How Kenny Tran Rates Internet Players
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Many of the Internet guys have no idea how much they give up playing live. I assume Aba knows by now why he got smoked live after the live guys got some hands in against him... [/ QUOTE ] results of the trip?? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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#4
11-19-2007, 06:29 AM
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Re: How Kenny Tran Rates Internet Players
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[ QUOTE ] Many of the Internet guys have no idea how much they give up playing live. I assume Aba knows by now why he got smoked live after the live guys got some hands in against him... [/ QUOTE ] results of the trip?? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Aba +300k. They showed him!
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#5
11-19-2007, 03:09 PM
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Re: How Kenny Tran Rates Internet Players
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Many of the Internet guys have no idea how much they give up playing live. I assume Aba knows by now why he got smoked live after the live guys got some hands in against him... [/ QUOTE ] LOL this guy has to be the most pathetic loser on 2+2, and that is a bold statement. He just lives to tell everyone how great the old live players are. I assume he jerks it to photos of Tom McEvoy daily.
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#7
11-18-2007, 06:18 PM
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Re: How Kenny Tran Rates Internet Players
It is a commonly known fact that live players almost always say internet players suck, and internet players almost always say live players suck.
One of the few exceptions I can think of is Lee Salem, who one day was talking with me about how a year or two ago he used to see young "internet kids" jumping into his big games and he'd get excited about it and think it's the best thing ever. Now, his view is most of them play much better than he does and they aren't at all good for the game. Also related to that discussion, he said that David Benyamine was telling him how the big games online were the best thing ever and he didn't think he'd ever want to step foot into a casino again for live cash games. As of a few days ago, how is DB doing with that whole internet poker thing?
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#8
11-18-2007, 06:19 PM
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Re: How Kenny Tran Rates Internet Players
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If there are specific players who you are curious as to where he ranks them, you can ask me and I'll ask him. [/ QUOTE ] Brian Townsend LDO Ask him if he knows who Tom Dwan is.
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#9
11-18-2007, 06:28 PM
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Re: How Kenny Tran Rates Internet Players
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He told me about a hand where his well known internet opponent could have saved tens of thousands of dolllars if he would have made what Kenny considered the obvious play of folding two kings preflop. I guess that fold is never made in internet games. [/ QUOTE ] This reminds me of a post Gobbo once made where he said something to the effect of "one time i won a pot with 72, can you believe it, two pair, yup" Clearly you can see why one hand doesn't define an entire group of peoples abilies right? <font color="white"> i.e. ducy? </font>
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#10
11-18-2007, 06:30 PM
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Re: How Kenny Tran Rates Internet Players
David, here is an interesting question for you:
Hypothetical - I select 9 of the best internet players and Kenny Tran selects 8 of the best live players (and includes himself). These 18 players are randomly paired into: a) 3 groups of 6 b) 2 groups of 9 They play 100k hands of 6 handed NLHE and 100k hands of 9 handed NLHE with the pairings being switched randomly every 10k hands. Do the internet players do better? Do the live players do better?
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