Why doesn't the Bellagio have a more "modern" waitlist

[GTL]

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(a brush or florr can't carry the list with them and make changes while they are walking around the room).

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That's exactly why I like electronic lists.

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They can still jack you with an electronic list. It happened to my friend at Borgata about a year ago. I raised a huge fit. We wanted to play 2/4 (he is not a good poker player) and came back from lunch. They put us to the top of the list. They called me first. Then about 10 minutes later called some random guy that got put in front of my friend. I raised hell for like an hour because he had to just sit there and wait.

I am sure some palms were greased.

Greg

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you and friend get put on top of the list. seat opens, you get called. someone else gets back from dinner and gets put on top of the list. no palm greasing. just one of many ways that someone got put on top of the list. palm greasing is obviously a possibility.

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So you are saying I should not try to tip them at Bellagio if I return and there seems to be a long line? I don't want to put anyone on the spot at their job but neither do I want to sit on my hands waiting if I can legally buy my way to the head of the line. Is there a poster who works at Bellagio who can just come out and tell us the right thing to do?

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bah, sometimes I wonder if this is all rumors that are spread by irate locals/tourists. People were recently fired allegedly for this reason, how soon we all forget.

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[*TT*]

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So you are saying I should not try to tip them at Bellagio if I return and there seems to be a long line? I don't want to put anyone on the spot at their job but neither do I want to sit on my hands waiting if I can legally buy my way to the head of the line. Is there a poster who works at Bellagio who can just come out and tell us the right thing to do?

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bah, sometimes I wonder if this is all rumors that are spread by irate locals/tourists. People were recently fired allegedly for this reason, how soon we all forget.

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Just tip when you sit down. If you play a lot and you tip often, thats more than enough. Greesing is in poor taste, tipping after service is ok.

[HOWMANY]

The order of names on electronic lists can magically change just like on a paper list, although the fact that everyone can read the electronic list might make it happen less often.

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The order of names on electronic lists can magically change just like on a paper list, although the fact that everyone can read the electronic list might make it happen less often.

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Or the person running the list can put some made up names on the list in case someone they want to put in the game shows up.

[NickMPK]

There should really be gaming regulations dealing with this sort of thing. Allowing for shady manipulations of the wait list by casino employees really impacts the perceived fairness of the game. It is crap like this that makes the American public so hesitant to condone legalized gambling.

[TexRef]

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It is crap like this that makes the American public so hesitant to condone legalized gambling.

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I doubt that most Americans have a clue about poker waitlists as it relates to gamblings. Most Americans that are opposed to gambling have either lost a lot of money, seen someone close to them lose a lot of money, or have never gambled and think all gambling is "wrong".

[Mano]

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1) Belagio's problem is there is not a separate brush/floor system, thats an easy fix but it was never implemented. Keep in mind it doesn't help Bellagio's bottom line, it just adds to their overhead by adding staff. If they hired a brush whose job was to maintain the list, and the floorpeople assisted players to their seats/got chips/and provided rulings then it would be more efficient, yet I doubt that will happen at Bellagio anytime soon; companies try to reduce their overhead, not add to it.


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One thing you may not be taking into account is that the system they have in the poker room likely takes away money from the more lucrative casino games. First time I stayed at the Bellagio and got on the list I asked how long it would be, and was told they didn't know and to keep checking back. To kill some time I went and played Video Poker on the bank of machines just outside the room - kept running back every 5-10 minutes to check the list. The list was only moving a few players every time I checked, but then from when I was like 12th on the list I check back about 10 minutes later and am told I had been called and when I didn't respond within the minute or so they give you I was taken off the list and had to wait again (they must have opened a new table). In contrast, at the Wynn I am given a beeper, and when my seat opens I am paged. I usually go and play some BJ while I am waiting. At the B I am afraid to leave the poker room because I might lose my seat, and cannot see a list or hear any pages for poker players outside of the room, even at the nearest slots. I am sure there are many others like me that they could be getting some casino action from while they wait if they would modernize their system a little (even an electronic list that could be easily checked from outside the poker room would help a great deal).

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So you are saying I should not try to tip them at Bellagio if I return and there seems to be a long line? I don't want to put anyone on the spot at their job but neither do I want to sit on my hands waiting if I can legally buy my way to the head of the line. Is there a poster who works at Bellagio who can just come out and tell us the right thing to do?

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bah, sometimes I wonder if this is all rumors that are spread by irate locals/tourists. People were recently fired allegedly for this reason, how soon we all forget.

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Just tip when you sit down. If you play a lot and you tip often, thats more than enough. Greesing is in poor taste, tipping after service is ok.

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So it's OK for regulars to tip their way to the front of the list, but not tourists?

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TT, I take away from your answer that I as the occasional visitor to Bellagio shouldn't bother to tip the floor. Obviously, I am not going to wait 2 hours and then tip the guy for a service I didn't receive in the hope that the next time I visit, which might be months later, the same guy will be there AND will recognize me AND will remember that I tipped AND will then put me on the head of the list. I just don't see the point. It's too cumbersome, it doesn't work for me.

The last time I visited Bellagio the floor said, straight up, there would be a 2 hour wait. I just want to know if he was soliciting for a tip and if we'd given one, if we'd really move up on the list. I don't care if it's crass or tacky. I only care to know if it's legal and effective. Silly and tacky as I might feel asking, "How long would my brother Mr. Grant have to wait?" it wouldn't feel much sillier than sitting around and waiting when I could be doing something else.

Do you see what I'm asking? I want to know if there is a way for the occasional player to jump the line or if there isn't. If there isn't, OK, it is not entirely unfair that regular customers should have a privilege that occasional ones don't get. But if there is, I'd just like to know it.