STTF SNG->cash thread - Page 34

futuredoc85 · #**331** 08-14-2007, 03:20 PM

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Villain is LanderD, pretty aggro pre and post. thoughts on all streets appreciated.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $427.10
BB: $705.20
UTG: $573.40
Hero (MP): $560.25
CO: $189.95
BTN: $402.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $16.00, CO folds, BTN raises to $52.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $36.00

Flop: ($110) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($110) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $78.00, Hero:?

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Why is check/something better in this spot than bet/fold? (real question)

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because he is likely betting the flop w/ literally 99% of the hands i can get value from by betting here.

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Maybe he's talking about the turn?

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im talking about the turn too. the range of hands he checks the flop with contains almost nothing that i beat here that can call a turn lead from me.

i actually think the flop is a decent spot to donk-bet fwiw.

MadScientist · #**332** 08-14-2007, 03:50 PM

I'm feeling you on the flop bet.
On the turn, I thought he could have a lot of weaker two pair hands.
If you think his range is like QQ-TT, a straight, plus bluffs like 20% of the time, the turn is a fold.
If you think he has like junk half the time, then yeah, just call down. This is very opponent dependent.

futuredoc85 · #**333** 08-14-2007, 03:55 PM

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I'm feeling you on the flop bet.
On the turn, I thought he could have a lot of weaker two pair hands.
If you think his range is like QQ-TT, a straight, plus bluffs like 20% of the time, the turn is a fold.
If you think he has like junk half the time, then yeah, just call down. This is very opponent dependent.

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hes good and aggressive, and i doubt he checks sets and 2 pair on this flop b/c he knows im check/shoving very often when i call his 3-bets OOP. tbh i have no idea wtf he checks flop w/, but im fairly sure that he bets 100% of his range for getting here on that turn card.

microbet · #**334** 08-14-2007, 03:56 PM

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Villain is LanderD, pretty aggro pre and post. thoughts on all streets appreciated.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $427.10
BB: $705.20
UTG: $573.40
Hero (MP): $560.25
CO: $189.95
BTN: $402.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $16.00, CO folds, BTN raises to $52.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $36.00

Flop: ($110) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($110) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $78.00, Hero:?

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Why is check/something better in this spot than bet/fold? (real question)

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because he is likely betting the flop w/ literally 99% of the hands i can get value from by betting here.

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Maybe he's talking about the turn?

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im talking about the turn too. the range of hands he checks the flop with contains almost nothing that i beat here that can call a turn lead from me.

i actually think the flop is a decent spot to donk-bet fwiw.

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Then unless you river a FH the same will be true there (or still on the turn if you're thinking CR). Also, hands with a K other than AK should be in the 99% too, so his range is FD, AK or air. If you think he's not too likely to check the flop with AK, then (since he's aggro) letting him bluff at the river seems far and away the best line from here.

If you think this is a likely line for him with AK, it's not going to be fun if he pushes a blank river. Still hard to fold though cause how can he think you have a K?

Some players will have AT or AJ though when you get to the turn. They won't fold to the bet and it will be very hard for them to raise without the King.

futuredoc85 · #**335** 08-14-2007, 04:05 PM

micro you're analysis is pretty dead-on for the hand, and there are prob a couple hands he can pay with, but i think the vast majority of his range are cards he was giving up on the flop w/, b/c he wouldnt be totally out of line to bet/call the flop w/ AJ. anyway, i c/c the turn.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $427.10
BB: $705.20
UTG: $573.40
Hero (MP): $560.25
CO: $189.95
BTN: $402.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $16.00, CO folds, BTN raises to $52.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $36.00

Flop: ($110) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($110) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $78.00, Hero calls $78.00

River: ($266) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $205.00, Hero:?

microbet · #**336** 08-14-2007, 04:25 PM

FDoc, ty, and with the flush draw hitting and him being aggro I think you gotta call. Maybe he has AK or maybe he checked the heart draw on the flop, but he's gonna bluff enough for you to call. Also, it's very thin, but he could still be betting with AJ or AT.

That is unless you have some read like he always overbets pot when he bluffs or something like that.

You're winning this at least 1 out of 3 times.

cakewalk · #**337** 08-14-2007, 06:49 PM

i dont think villain would ever check that flop with a FD. maybe AhKh or something since he has the deck tied up.

i'd call

cakewalk · #**338** 08-14-2007, 06:51 PM

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 3 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $225.95
BB: $456.15
Hero (BTN): $250.60

Preflop: Hero is dealt 4

5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero raises to $8.00, SB folds, BB calls $6.00

Flop: ($17) 3

5

4

(2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $18.00, BB calls $18.00

Turn: ($53) 8

(2 Players)
BB bets $32.00, Hero ?

lacky · #**339** 08-14-2007, 08:20 PM

ok, if I'm gonna play like an idiot and donk off largish chucks of cash, I might as well make it educational. please rip up any and all flaws (you will see I have no pride, this is as bad as it gets, for all to see)

villian is 34/11/3

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($379.90)
BB ($220.35)
UTG ($218.50)
MP ($207.10)
CO ($223.30)
Hero ($219.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $2, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($8) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $6, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $6.

Turn: ($20) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($20) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $20, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $20

villain is 34/22/1

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($295.90)
MP ($224)
Button ($109.40)
SB ($194)
Hero ($222)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $6, 1 fold, Button calls $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($19) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $13, Button folds, Hero raises to $40, UTG calls $27.

Turn: ($99) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $62, UTG calls $62.

River: ($223) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $114 (All-In), UTG calls $114.

Final Pot: $451

same villain 34/22/1

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($370.90)
UTG ($214.35)
MP ($268)
CO ($194)
Button ($228.70)
Hero ($209.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to $8, BB raises to $23, Hero calls $15.

Flop: ($46) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $32, Hero calls $32.

Turn: ($110) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $74, BB raises to $242, Hero calls $80.15 (All-In).

River: ($418.30) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $418.30

villain is 27/24/3

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($211)
SB ($237.70)
BB ($206.25)
UTG ($229.55)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $7, Hero raises to $20, 2 folds, UTG calls $13.

Flop: ($43) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $30, UTG calls $30.

Turn: ($103) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($103) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $80, Hero calls $80.

Final Pot: $263

same villain 27/24/3

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($40)
UTG ($127.55)
MP ($197)
CO ($265.05)
Button ($196)
Hero ($273.20)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, CO raises to $9, 1 fold, Hero raises to $28, 1 fold, UTG folds, CO calls $19.

Flop: ($60) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $44, CO raises to $237.05, Hero calls $193.05.

Turn: ($534.10) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($534.10) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $534.10

cakewalk · #**340** 08-14-2007, 08:32 PM

hand 1. raise pf, you're otb and have a good hand. overlimping is also fine though, raising is just better unless limper is some call down monkey. as played good fold. our kicker sucks and without a read villain is leading with less we're smoked.

hand 2. raise or fold PF. im inclined to fold this most of the time unless i feel like squeezing. post flop i don't like the check, although it's not bad, i would lead the flop and try to b/3bet. nh.

hand 3. as played i'd check fold the turn.

hand 4. perfect.

hand 5. don't really like the 3bet with 88, i'd call the raise and play for set/float value. i'd fold to the shove on the flop.

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