Watch Out For Ron Paul

[RedBean]

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Ah, yes. I see the route you'd rather take than addressing Ron Paul's racist quotes.

Serious question....why did Paul continue to defend the quotes as his own word, even 4 years after they were published?

Why did he not "admit" they weren't his until nearly 5 years later?

[Borodog]

http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41822

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Ron Paul Race Smear Erased?
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - FreeMarketNews.com


Internet information claiming that presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-TX) is a racist – and made derogatory comments about African Americans - has been making the rounds within the blogosphere. But sources close to the editorial group that published the newsletter (or newsletters) that supposedly carried the comments claim that Ron Paul never had anything to do with them, and wasn’t even aware of them.

These sources say that editorial operation in question was a fairly large one, and profitable for its time - focused in large part on measures that one could take to generate a lifestyle independent of government influence and intervention.

The publication, or publications, comprised a business venture to which Ron Paul lent his name. Headquarters were “60 miles away” from Ron Paul’s personal Texas offices. At the time that the publications were being disseminated, primarily in the 1980s, Ron Paul was involved in numerous activities including Libertarian politics. He eventually ran for U.S. president as a Libertarian.

“This was a big operation,” says one source. “And Ron Paul was a busy man. He was doctor, a politician and free-market commentator. A publication had to go out at a certain time and Ron Paul often was not around to oversee the lay out, printing or mailing. Many times he did not participate in the composition, either.”

This source and others add that publications utilized guest writers and editors on a regular basis. Often these guest writers and editors would write a “Ron Paul” column, under which the derogatory comments might have been issued.

Says one source, “Ron Paul didn’t know about those comments, or know they were written under his name until much later when they were brought to his attention. There were several issues that went out with comments that he would not ordinarily make. He was angry when he saw them.”

Ron Paul has said that he did not write the comments in question, but, nonetheless, has taken "moral" responsibility for them.

An excerpt from an apparent interview with Texas Monthly as quoted on the blog Everything2.com clarifies the above information as follows:

"In spite of calls from Gary Bledsoe, the president of the Texas State Conference of the NAACP, and other civil rights leaders for an apology for such obvious racial typecasting, Paul stood his ground. He said only that his remarks about Barbara Jordan related to her stands on affirmative action and that his written comments about blacks were in the context of 'current events and statistical reports of the time.' He denied any racist intent. What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.

"When I ask him why, he pauses for a moment, then says, 'I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren't really written by me. It wasn't my language at all. Other people help me with my newsletter as I travel around. I think the one on Barbara Jordan was the saddest thing, because Barbara and I served together and actually she was a delightful lady.' ...

"His reasons for keeping this a secret are harder to understand: 'They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them . . . I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn't come from me directly, but they campaign aides said that's too confusing. "It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it." ' It is a measure of his stubbornness, determination, and ultimately his contrarian nature that, until this surprising volte-face in our interview, he had never shared this secret. It seems, in retrospect, that it would have been far, far easier to have told the truth at the time."

http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Ron%20Paul

The operative sentence in the above would seem to be: “What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.” The remarks may well have been seen as out of character because they were not written by Ron Paul, and he had no knowledge of them and no input into their composition, even though he eventually took responsibility for them.

Adds a source aware of the current tempest over these remarks, “Anybody who claims that Ron Paul made the comments in question is deliberately mis-stating what occurred to make political points. It is a measure of [his opponents] desperation that they are dredging this up again. Anybody who reads all that he has written – and there’s lots of it – could see that right away.”


Staff Reports - Free-Market News Network
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Now will you shut the [censored] up? No? Didn't think so. Troll.

[Borodog]

And again:

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Borodog,

Thanks for the link. Skimmed over the other thread that went into this debacle. I personally don't see much reason to deem this guy a racist.

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There isn't. I know from personal knowledge there isn't. But aside from my personal knowledge, regardless of how anybody feels about his politics, Ron Paul has literally tens of thousands of written pages and hundreds of hours of taped speeches that can be read and listened to. The crap RedBean is dredging up is unlike ANYTHING else in that body of work. When historians, and not internet trolls, see something like this, it makes them suspicious that something has been interpolated by someone else into the body of work of the writer, like the Jesus accounts in Josephus, or the Lincoln letter to Mrs. Bixby. But to internet trolls, its all just [censored] for the [censored] sling.

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[AlexM]

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Except he originally defended the comments as HIS OWN, and only denied them MUCH later.......

Amazing.

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If you're actually interested in credible sources rather than slander, you might want to get to work on that.

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What more credible source than the words of the man himself....lol....Ron Paul defended the comments as his own, and only much later denied they were his....

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Still waiting for you to provide evidence for this from a reliable source.

[RedBean]

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I'll do some digging to see if I can find actual quotes from Dr. Paul regarding this matter, but I'm done conversing with RedBean.

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FACTS:

1992 - Racial quotes authored by "Ron Paul" in his own newsletter.

1996 - When interviewed by the Houston Chronicle, concerning the quotes, Ron Paul defended them as his own, and said they were "in context with current events".

2001 - In an interview with Texas Monthly, he claims a staffer wrote them, and they weren't his words...he accepts moral responsibility, but doesn't condemn the quotes.

Which is in dispute?

[AlexM]

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Except he originally defended the comments as HIS OWN, and only denied them MUCH later.......

Amazing.

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If you're actually interested in credible sources rather than slander, you might want to get to work on that.

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What more credible source than the words of the man himself....lol....Ron Paul defended the comments as his own, and only much later denied they were his....

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You keep asserting this. Where's your source?

[RedBean]

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You keep asserting this. Where's your source?

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Houston Chronicle, May 23, 1996.

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Paul, a Republican obstetrician from Surfside, said Wednesday he opposes racism and that his written commentaries about blacks came in the context of ""current events and statistical reports of the time."


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FOUR YEARS after the initial racist diatribe was published in his newsletter, Paul was still defending them as his own !!!!


Ayachachachacha!

[Misfire]

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In 2004, Congress voted on a bill to "Recognize and honor the 40th anniversary of congressional passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and celebrate it's role in eliminating discrimination against African Americans"

It passed the House 414-1

The lone objection was Ron Paul.

First the racially charged quotes, and now this?

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If you'd actually read up on Ron Paul as you claim, you'd know he doesn't vote for any bill whose content is not expressly authorized by the constitution. But please keep up the good work. The name-calling is really convincing people.

[AlexM]

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If he truly is racist, this should show itself in a pattern of racial remarks, policy positions, votes, etc.

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In 2004, Congress voted on a bill to "Recognize and honor the 40th anniversary of congressional passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and celebrate it's role in eliminating discrimination against African Americans"

It passed the House 414-1

The lone objection was Ron Paul.

First the racially charged quotes, and now this?

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You're joking right?

To quote again:

"celebrate it's role in eliminating discrimination against African Americans"

How insulting to African Americans is that? Apparantly he's the only NON-racist in the House.

[RedBean]

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If you'd actually read up on Ron Paul as you claim, you'd know he doesn't vote for any bill whose content is not expressly authorized by the constitution.


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Even token bills that don't effect law, but commemorate important legislation and acknowledge the struggle of those who fought for their civil rights?

I dunno. Based on Ron's racist past, I think he might have voted against this one since he don't like the blacks.

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But please keep up the good work. The name-calling is really convincing people.

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You mean calling Paul a racist?

I'm willing to discuss the facts surrounding his racist newsletter diatribe all day long.....it's you guys resorting to name calling and not wanting to hear the truth behind the racist man. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]