I cannot win on pokerstars. Reasons ??

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As a former Australian company director, I can tell you that the rule here is, amongst others, to act in the best interests of the company. This is not limited to profit.

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I absolutely agree with you. Unfortunately, many people interpret this principle to mean that pursuit of profit must always take precedence.

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In addition, I note your edit to act in a "lawful" manner towards this supposed profit object. It would seem self-evident to me that stealing, defrauding and thieving from your customers (as the fruitloops who make this unsubstantiated allegations allege they are doing) is unlawful. I assume that stealing internationally is as unlawful as stealing from someone in the same country.

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Sometimes people get creative in their interpretations about what is lawful and what is not. For example, I don't recall specifics or names, but there was a scandal a couple years back about a certain company which had budgeted a set percentage of expenditures per fiscal year towards graft in countries where graft is effectively the only way to get things done. It was a big scandal, and I believe a law was passed in Congress in the wake of this scandal making that practice illegal, where before it had been seen as a practice of ambiguous legality due to a lack of a specific law prohibiting the practice. The idea that graft can be okay depending upon the circumstances is nonsense, but when it comes to money, people can get very creative. But I am speaking in generalities here, bear in mind, and I am not suggesting that everyone in business is unethical. To the contrary, I probably am in a minority of people who believe that most people in business are ethical and succeed ethically.

More to the point, I find it difficult to win on PS, but I do not attribute this to anything other than the fact that I'm just not the best player, and there are many better players out there than me, and most of them play on PS. I look at my stats and nothing looks out of the ordinary. My aces have won 90%, kings 80%, queens 78, and AK suited 75. Seems reasonable.

All just my humble opinion. Cheers. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[T Kiriakopoulos]

You can read my thread in casinomeister in which I provide argumentation claiming that pokerooms are rigged: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/poke...oms-rigged.html

I have not read this thread yet, and someone might have mentioned it, but here is the WHY the casinos have profit in cheating the good players:

Suppose that half of the players of a pokeromm are conservative players (which I call good or skilled), and half are fishes. And thus the good players have an edge over the fishes of 10%. That means that for every 100$ wagered in the tables, 5$ will go to the rake, and 5$ will go to the good players. Therefore, in the long run, the rake will accumulate the 25% of the deposited money (since half of the deposited money is from good players and half from fishes). But if the casino cheats the players so that nobody wins more than the others, then 100% of the deposited money will be slowly accumulated by the rake. That is why the casinos have an interest of cheating the good players and help the fish get "lucky" when they have crap cards.

It's rigged everywhere, and this truth will be well known soon.

You will be amazed how some affliates in casinomeister rushed into degrading my arguments and convince us all that there isnt the slightest probability that the outcomes are not random, but modified by the casino. I am sure that some affiliates rushed into defending their business in this thread too. They are also pretending to be "pros", whereas their profits are made by the commision they get from the rake common players pay.

[AirmanSpecial]

Obv I don't think PS is rigged, but on every other site I am a big winner at my levels. On PS, I am a loser.
My solution is don't play on Stars, not keep playing there and then tell the Zoo how rigged it is 100%.

[Ryanj37]

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You can read my thread in casinomeister in which I provide argumentation claiming that pokerooms are rigged: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/poke...oms-rigged.html

I have not read this thread yet, and someone might have mentioned it, but here is the WHY the casinos have profit in cheating the good players:

Suppose that half of the players of a pokeromm are conservative players (which I call good or skilled), and half are fishes. And thus the good players have an edge over the fishes of 10%. That means that for every 100$ wagered in the tables, 5$ will go to the rake, and 5$ will go to the good players. Therefore, in the long run, the rake will accumulate the 25% of the deposited money (since half of the deposited money is from good players and half from fishes). But if the casino cheats the players so that nobody wins more than the others, then 100% of the deposited money will be slowly accumulated by the rake. That is why the casinos have an interest of cheating the good players and help the fish get "lucky" when they have crap cards.

It's rigged everywhere, and this truth will be well known soon.

You will be amazed how some affliates in casinomeister rushed into degrading my arguments and convince us all that there isnt the slightest probability that the outcomes are not random, but modified by the casino. I am sure that some affiliates rushed into defending their business in this thread too. They are also pretending to be "pros", whereas their profits are made by the commision they get from the rake common players pay.

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Err... learn to play poker maybe? ZOMG i lose with my top pair! ZOMG the rake beats all! ZOMG RIGG3D!

[Josem]

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You can read my thread in casinomeister in which I provide argumentation claiming that pokerooms are rigged: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/poke...oms-rigged.html

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having read your post there, it is more of the unsubstantiated rubbish that muppets are posting in this thread.

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Suppose that half of the players of a pokeromm are conservative players (which I call good or skilled), and half are fishes. And thus the good players have an edge over the fishes of 10%. That means that for every 100$ wagered in the tables, 5$ will go to the rake, and 5$ will go to the good players. Therefore, in the long run, the rake will accumulate the 25% of the deposited money (since half of the deposited money is from good players and half from fishes). But if the casino cheats the players so that nobody wins more than the others, then 100% of the deposited money will be slowly accumulated by the rake. That is why the casinos have an interest of cheating the good players and help the fish get "lucky" when they have crap cards.

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if your mathematics and logic is as bad as this paragraph implies (like, are you deliberately trying start another moronic argument with idiotic thinking? is this some sort of gimmick account to get a reaction out of people?) then that is a more obvious explanation for why you lost 10,000pounds on poker than anything else.


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It's rigged everywhere, and this truth will be well known soon.

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more rubbish with no evidence.

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You will be amazed how some affliates in casinomeister rushed into degrading my arguments and convince us all that there isnt the slightest probability that the outcomes are not random, but modified by the casino.

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i don't understand what someone posting on some random forum has to do with this argument.

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I am sure that some affiliates rushed into defending their business in this thread too.

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more evidence of how wrong you are. i receive no profits from any poker site; as far as I'm aware, no one else in this thread do either (except where obviously stated)

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They are also pretending to be "pros", whereas their profits are made by the commision they get from the rake common players pay.

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which is another lie without evidence.

you are another lying liar who lies.

[Bobo Fett]

Ummmm...wow. I mean, WOW! I don't even know where to start with this....this is going to be soooo much fun. Too busy cleaning out the garage right now to take the considerable amount of time my reply will require, but I'm looking forward to sitting down at my computer later.

[Minn_pokerplyr]

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You can read my thread in casinomeister in which I provide argumentation claiming that pokerooms are rigged: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/poke...oms-rigged.html

I have not read this thread yet, and someone might have mentioned it, but here is the WHY the casinos have profit in cheating the good players:

Suppose that half of the players of a pokeromm are conservative players (which I call good or skilled), and half are fishes. And thus the good players have an edge over the fishes of 10%. That means that for every 100$ wagered in the tables, 5$ will go to the rake, and 5$ will go to the good players. Therefore, in the long run, the rake will accumulate the 25% of the deposited money (since half of the deposited money is from good players and half from fishes). But if the casino cheats the players so that nobody wins more than the others, then 100% of the deposited money will be slowly accumulated by the rake. That is why the casinos have an interest of cheating the good players and help the fish get "lucky" when they have crap cards.

It's rigged everywhere, and this truth will be well known soon.

You will be amazed how some affliates in casinomeister rushed into degrading my arguments and convince us all that there isnt the slightest probability that the outcomes are not random, but modified by the casino. I am sure that some affiliates rushed into defending their business in this thread too. They are also pretending to be "pros", whereas their profits are made by the commision they get from the rake common players pay.

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I agree 100 percent.

[T Kiriakopoulos]

Go on my dear affiliates, defend your business. You can fool others, but you cannot fool me. I am out of this thread. Fill it up as much as you can. But truth will prevail in the end.

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The sites make more when the pot is bigger, obviously. So it's stupid for them not to make the cards fall that create bigger pots and more action. People say this is "rigging" but really it's common sense. A juiced flop or river is blind and doesn't favor one person over another, it just blindly creates a bigger pot so they can in turn, take a bigger rake.

The incredible thing is that it's very exploitable. It's like playing blackjack but getting to be the house. You the player know for certain that draws are going to get there most of the time in big pots because it's more profitable that way for the house. Big river action means more money for the poker site and higher profits.

So of course I bet on the house - and I do so by always drawing to my gutshots for big bets, because I know they are very likely to hit (more than unrigged odds would dictate) on the river. I also don't build pots with made hands because I know the converse is true - if I make the pot big with a made hand then the hands drawing against me are likely to get there more often on average. So why build a pot with a made hand if doing so increases the liklihood that I'm going to lose. It seems all very counter-intuitive especially for live game players. That's why many of the great live pros struggle online (this is well documented by the way - just take peak in NVG).

Again , some will argue that a sites is rigged - but a rigged site is doing nothing illegal or unfair because its favors no one - all players experience the same fate on the river with their drawing hands. The OP here is just failing to adjust. The sites don't care who wins the pot, they just care that the pot is BIG. Everyone experiences the same river juicing - we've all heard all the stories and studies like the OP mentioned. The problem is that often players just sit there and complain, don't adjust, and consequently go broke while the smart card player adapts his game to be more profitable. That's what makes a good player good - the ability to adjust to changing conditions. The house never loses and neither should you.

Btw, I copy & pasted this before in similar thread. Apologies if this is not allowed - but I feel it's highly relevant if threads like this are to remain unlocked - lol.

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Awesome post, Piece of Cake!

Incredibly, the 2+2 experts don't seem to be getting your wonderful humor ... but some of us appreciate it, anyway.

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I would guess that almost everyone on this forum would be looking to maximize profits if we owned pokerstars/FTP etc...and if that means throwing some house players in here or there then so be it. It is totally undetectable and we will probably never know the truth unless someone very high up leaks the info, but why would that ever happen? There is no way I would ever bet against this.

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That's an incredibly huge and offensive slur against a bunch of people that you simply don't know.

Your own hunger for money and lack of ethics is not something that you have a right to project on other people. Many people on earth are not in the habit of stealing money and fraudulently ripping people off (as you suggest) simply because it is possible.

It's about time that people who accuse others of fraud, theft, and other outright illegal activities started providing some evidence to launch such outrageous accusations or stopped making them.

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Josem please just admit you are a Poker Stars stooge. You have no credibility whatsoever my brother.