VH1's "The Pick up Artist"

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This is untrue and irrelevant as it doesn't have to do with his method but with him. If your gripe is that Mystery doesn't stay in long term relationships long enough...there are dozens of counter examples among the PUAs he taught, Neil Strauss being a notable example.

There is no lack of evidence that his "method" helps men create relationships. From your posts you seemed quite familiar with his model and concepts but saying it only establishes attraction leads me to believe you don't understand it at all. If you're point is merely that it doesn't cover relationship dynamics once a sexual relationship is in place, you are correct, that is outside the scope of the pickup community (although initial forays as I've mentioned somewhere are taking place).

But it's important to note that distinction. The pickup community provides for laying a groundwork to help men seek whatever type of relationship they want with women.


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I hate leaving for the night, then the thread is so buried I forget to look for it the next day.

I think Neil Straus is not a good counter example because I don't think he uses anything beyond a very basic Mystery type opener. Mystery certainly started him out, but I think his methods have diverted quite a bit beyond that.

Saying I don't understand things is probably not fair to me at all, but saying I don't know what they currently work on, you may be right. I was "really into this" quite a long time ago, and have barely a passing interest any more. Keep in mind I was reading this when Maniac High was king, and Mystery had just begun to enter the scene. Still, I'd say something like Ross's methods is more likely to help in generating relationships than Mystery's.

Yes, my point is that it does not cover much past that, but I also argue that it is NOT outside the scope of the PUA community. I believe there's a lot more to be gleaned from the things that have and have not worked for guys beyond the "get them in bed" area that admittedly a lot of them stop at.


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And, moron, if you bang 300 chicks, even wearing a condom statistically you are going to have to pony up for 9 abortions.

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Are you really saying that one out of every 33 times two people have sex with a condom the girl gets pregnant?

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Yes, depending on who you ask, condoms are effective against pregnancy 90 to 99% of the time, the most common number is a rate of 97% effective.

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theres absolutely no way you really believe thats true, is there?

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And, moron, if you bang 300 chicks, even wearing a condom statistically you are going to have to pony up for 9 abortions.

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Are you really saying that one out of every 33 times two people have sex with a condom the girl gets pregnant?

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Yes, depending on who you ask, condoms are effective against pregnancy 90 to 99% of the time, the most common number is a rate of 97% effective.

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Pretty sure that number is 97% effective during the course of a year of normal use. I'm not sure what a year of normal use but say its once a week. That would be 97% effective after 50 times of [censored]. 300 chicks would give you something like 6 years of use or an 18% chance of knocking someone up over that run.

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Ok this sounds more reasonable, but even still I'd think a normal year of use would be a lot more than that. Some couples have sex that much in a month.

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And, moron, if you bang 300 chicks, even wearing a condom statistically you are going to have to pony up for 9 abortions.

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Are you really saying that one out of every 33 times two people have sex with a condom the girl gets pregnant?

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Yes, depending on who you ask, condoms are effective against pregnancy 90 to 99% of the time, the most common number is a rate of 97% effective.

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Pretty sure that number is 97% effective during the course of a year of normal use. I'm not sure what a year of normal use but say its once a week. That would be 97% effective after 50 times of [censored]. 300 chicks would give you something like 6 years of use or an 18% chance of knocking someone up over that run.

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Ive never heard "during the course of a year of normal use". I thought they figured the odds just by failure rate, ie take 100 condoms, 3 will fail, no matter when your how often you use them. and this is also assuming 1. you use a condom everytime (and c'mon, 300 chicks? we all make mistakes), and 2. you use the condom correctly everytime.

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I don't think its that hard to "remember" to use a condom. I've certainly never forgot. And LOL at use it correctly.

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One thing that no one has seemed to mention is that Mystery, while being very good, is almost certainly not "the best pickup artist in the world." He is just a kid that used to play DnD, got frustrated at being a virgin and introverted, and decided to "fake it until he made it."

I'm not trying to knock on him to make myself feel better like other guys, and I respect his work. But you are definitely buying into his frame when you call him "the best in the world." He gets alot of attention and a fair amount of money doing seminars because of this tag-line he has invented for himself and that others seem to back. This tag-line feeds his image and his ego.

The truth is there are many cool guys in the world and they have skills near Mystery's level. Whether there are people that surpass him, I don't know and don't really care.

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exactly. guys have been doing this since forever, the nerds who want to make a life change just built him into a god because he knew how to market it. Do you really think mystery is a better at nailing chicks than Sinatra or Tommy Lee in their primes? not a [censored] chance. And its also sickeningly laughable that the guys who are into it, think there is no other way to pick up chicks if you dont do what mystery says.

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I think if you Mystery, Frank Sinatra, and Tommy Lee all were suddenly transported into random bodies and lose their look and fame appeal that I'd bet on Mystery being able to meet more women.

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One thing that no one has seemed to mention is that Mystery, while being very good, is almost certainly not "the best pickup artist in the world." He is just a kid that used to play DnD, got frustrated at being a virgin and introverted, and decided to "fake it until he made it."

I'm not trying to knock on him to make myself feel better like other guys, and I respect his work. But you are definitely buying into his frame when you call him "the best in the world." He gets alot of attention and a fair amount of money doing seminars because of this tag-line he has invented for himself and that others seem to back. This tag-line feeds his image and his ego.

The truth is there are many cool guys in the world and they have skills near Mystery's level. Whether there are people that surpass him, I don't know and don't really care.

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exactly. guys have been doing this since forever, the nerds who want to make a life change just built him into a god because he knew how to market it. Do you really think mystery is a better at nailing chicks than Sinatra or Tommy Lee in their primes? not a [censored] chance. And its also sickeningly laughable that the guys who are into it, think there is no other way to pick up chicks if you dont do what mystery says.

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I think if you Mystery, Frank Sinatra, and Tommy Lee all were suddenly transported into random bodies and lose their look and fame appeal that I'd bet on Mystery being able to meet more women.

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This is so completely retarded.

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I hate leaving for the night, then the thread is so buried I forget to look for it the next day.

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Me too, lol.

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I think Neil Straus is not a good counter example because I don't think he uses anything beyond a very basic Mystery type opener. Mystery certainly started him out, but I think his methods have diverted quite a bit beyond that.

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If anything Style is co-author of his method as a ton of the stuff is still credited to him. Style's own camp (stylelife academy) def is teaching something extremely similar to the M3 method. But, ok, I have a feeling we're interpreting Msytery's own method in a fundamentally different way.

PM me if you are interested in discussing it further, [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

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Yes, my point is that it does not cover much past that, but I also argue that it is NOT outside the scope of the PUA community. I believe there's a lot more to be gleaned from the things that have and have not worked for guys beyond the "get them in bed" area that admittedly a lot of them stop at.


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Ehhh, I think some of these guys *could* put together some insightful stuff past the meet to sex phase, but no one is doing it. They just refer ppl to read/study non-community authors/relationship gurus. But yeah, the scope of the community could be said to encompass fitness/health, finances, personal growth in work, family, relationships if you want to get really general!

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I think if you Mystery, Frank Sinatra, and Tommy Lee all were suddenly transported into random bodies and lose their look and fame appeal that I'd bet on Mystery being able to meet more women.

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i think this is likely true. For example i think there are probably quite a few struggling actors or models in la that have the looks that are on par with let's say brad pitt but probably don't have the kind of game mystery has. I'm sure they do fine but nothing too special.

For example my friend that works on the show said that when the concept was first brought up to do the show around mystery he claimed his challenge to prove he was legit was that he could go to any bar or club and have you pick out any girl and he would leave with her, apparently they tested him out and he got the show...

Also i've seen almost the whole season already and it gets pretty damn good.

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well i know almost nothing about mystery except for watching his new show and hearing about how awesome he is from a buddy who works on it. But considering he lives in la and assuming he is one of the best PUA (top 1%...doesn't matter) yes i'd say it's likely that out of the last 300 girls he's slept with, most of them are probably at least a solid 8.

But i agree with you on the no real desire to nail everything that moves... but at least i would concede that it is not the easiest thing to find hot girls to take home every time you go out, and mystery is probably better then most and certainly would have better results then me.

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If I lived in LA, from what I understand I have no doubt I could nail at least a 7 at will any night of the week. Is there a will to do so? not really. Once you get passed a certain point with this kind of stuff, its not hard to go home with whomever you choose for the night, its just that in most peoples cases there just arent enough hot chicks out there to go around. I think there is a huge difference between being a PUA, and being good at picking up chicks. <u>Yes, he is probably in the top 1% of PUAs, but they are still a tier below naturally good looking guys (who arent retards w/ chicks)</u>, rock stars, actors, etc. PUA gives ALL guys no matter what you look liek a good basis to pick up girls, but that doesnt mean that even if you are the best at applying what you read in a PUA book, that some brad pitt look alike doesnt have a million times better chance at nailing the girl first.

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all extremes aside, IMO if you think looks are way more important than having game, you are hugely wrong.

also IMO if you think mystery or any other of the top guys out there are peanuts compared to someone that looks really good, you are also wrong.

game is much more important, and its not even close, i dont care to write out a diatribe why /right now/, but maybe someone competent like yugo can explain if you need convincing


also i want to take time to refute something that i hear alot which is total [censored]. people say something like "oh well i dont want to [censored] girls all the time / i want a solid relationship instead / etc.", that may be true, but what one has to recognize here is, if you can't get laid frequently, you have no options, so you can't [censored] decide what you want. because relationships only start once you have sex. its highly contraversial, but there, i [censored] said it, and thats my opinion.

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I never said looks are way more important

And yes mystery and those guys are peanuts compared to someone like Brad Pitt, its not even close.



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I wouldn't know about Mys vs. Brad Pitt. But what I do know is you said (and I have bolded/underlined it above for your reference) that Mys is way &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt; a naturally good looking guy who "isn't a retard with chicks." This is clearly wrong.

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Game is most important, but 90% of the time truly good lookign guys dont need a book on it and its just natural, so its not really "game", its just what they learned works.


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"What they learned works" is the same thing that people on the internet are doing. It's the same [censored]. You can't say that because one person learned it independently, and the other used a book, that one is not game and the other is game.

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most guys dont want to start a relationship with a girl that falls for the pua stuff and sleeps w/ them on teh first night.

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The "pua stuff" IS just natural game. And I can't believe a woman's preference for having sex on the first night or not is a rejection criterion for you (regarding entering a relationship.) It certainly isn't for me.

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