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| Portis (@Houston) |
   
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17 | 48.57% |
| Kevin Jones (GB) |
  
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8 | 22.86% |
| Fred Taylor (@Ind) |
  
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9 | 25.71% |
| R. Droughns (Balt) |
  
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| D. McAllister (Atl) |
  
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1 | 2.86% |
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#301
08-09-2007, 02:16 AM
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Re: P5\'s top donk-n-go player is going pro
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You are essentially robbing people by coaching [/ QUOTE ] Agreed [ QUOTE ] If my average student has improved their ROI by 7% (which they have), then how am I "robbing" them by charging them $149 for a four-hour lesson, when they are, on average, making much, much more than that. [/ QUOTE ] It's generally accepted around here that people coach for their hourly rate or less(because there is no variance). Jennifear on the other hand charges MORE than her hourly rate for coaching. 
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#302
08-09-2007, 02:17 AM
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Re: P5\'s top donk-n-go player is going pro
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[ QUOTE ] You are decreasing your ROI by folding in +EV spots. [/ QUOTE ] While I recognise that this wasn't supposed to be a wide ranging sentence, it actually belies a lack of understanding of a whole series of issues: 1) I think you may be confusing two issues here - cEV vs $EV. They are very different things. 2) There are many spots where you would want to fold +$EV spots, because it encourages other players to clash (which is even more +$EV) [ QUOTE ] Your chips don't decrease in value THAT much. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, they actually do. This is the whole premise of highly skilled SNG play. This is why the best SNG players are the best SNG plyers. They recognise and understand the difference between cEV and $EV, and recognise how to react. [/ QUOTE ] I understand the concepts of cEV and $EV. Raising A8s on the button in that situation is both of these things, and it's not very close. I would estimate the cEV to be something like +t150, and the variance to be pretty low.
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#303
08-09-2007, 02:17 AM
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The real question is would she have gotten all the p5 love if she was a dude. [/ QUOTE ] Good point. After the pictures of that P5s party, I would have to say no.
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#304
08-09-2007, 02:28 AM
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Re: P5\'s top donk-n-go player is going pro
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I understand the concepts of cEV and $EV. Raising A8s on the button in that situation is both of these things, and it's not very close. I would estimate the cEV to be something like +t150, and the variance to be pretty low. [/ QUOTE ] you're seriously wrong in donk and goes. MTT's, yes, raise all day, but not donk and goes. it's just very very very ugly to risk about 1/3 of your stack (counting the cbet).
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#305
08-09-2007, 02:28 AM
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Re: P5\'s top donk-n-go player is going pro
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It's generally accepted around here that people coach for their hourly rate or less(because there is no variance). Jennifear on the other hand charges MORE than her hourly rate for coaching. [/ QUOTE ] thats only for boys
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#306
08-09-2007, 02:28 AM
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Re: P5\'s top donk-n-go player is going pro
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[ QUOTE ] The real question is would she have gotten all the p5 love if she was a dude. [/ QUOTE ] Good point. After the pictures of that P5s party, I would have to say no. [/ QUOTE ] There's a P5s is so ghey that... joke in here but I'm not gonna be the one to make it.
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#307
08-09-2007, 02:30 AM
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Re: P5\'s top donk-n-go player is going pro
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The real question is would she have gotten all the p5 love if she was a dude. [/ QUOTE ] Good point. After the pictures of that P5s party, I would have to say no. [/ QUOTE ] There's a P5s is so ghey that... joke in here but I'm not gonna be the one to make it. [/ QUOTE ] the stereotypical gay man would not be caught dead at that party or with any of those people "gay" (actually, very desperate/confused) furry, possibly
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#309
08-09-2007, 02:46 AM
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Re: P5\'s top donk-n-go player is going pro
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[ QUOTE ] You are essentially robbing people by coaching [/ QUOTE ] Agreed [ QUOTE ] If my average student has improved their ROI by 7% (which they have), then how am I "robbing" them by charging them $149 for a four-hour lesson, when they are, on average, making much, much more than that. [/ QUOTE ] It's generally accepted around here that people coach for their hourly rate or less(because there is no variance). Jennifear on the other hand charges MORE than her hourly rate for coaching. [/ QUOTE ] this is actually what i've been asking about. coaching rates should be around 1/3-1/2 of ones poker hrly charging $37.5/hr as someone who usually plays 4 tables at $20 SnGs blows my mind. then again her ROI is 40% so whatever [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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#310
08-09-2007, 02:48 AM
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Re: P5\'s top donk-n-go player is going pro
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I would estimate the cEV to be something like +t150, [/ QUOTE ] This makes no sense. Because the chips vary in value, how can you possibly average variable values? Apart from anything else, having a positive cEV value doesn't actually confirm that it is +$EV. When you lose chips, they cost more to your equity than the benefit from gaining chips. Thus, +cEV is not enough. You need to be significantly +cEV. A8s is also a very difficult shortstack hand anyway - you're going to miss two-thirds of the flops, and even when you do hit it, if you meet any resistance, you're almost always going to be massively behind. Thus, after you take into account the benefit from being in position and from being the aggressor, you're going to win a number of small pots, and lose a few bigger ones. Losing a few bigger ones is going to hurt you much more than gaining the benefit of small pots. How'd you get that number of +t150 anyway? [ QUOTE ] and the variance to be pretty low. [/ QUOTE ] What does this mean? How does a hand have low variance?
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