2008 Presidential primaries thread

[Jack of Arcades]

Dids, these posts were written before they were hired by John Edwards.

I think this is a pretty good case for how the media is dishonest. Many programs let William Donahue and Rush Limbaugh come on the air and accuse these people of bigotry without calling these men on their own bigotry.

[Dids]

JoA,

Ahhh.

I've only been following that through posts on my google feed that a skip.

If that's the case then I'll blaim Edwards or whoever vetted the bloggers.

And yeah, obviously programs that regard folks like Donahue and Limbaugh as anything other than windbag bigots are pretty ridic.

[bisonbison]

I'm sure you also think that the first blogger is ridiculous as well, right?

Well, I wouldn't say ridiculous, and my opinion is based more on her reflexive "feminism" than for her comments on Catholics. She's tediously controversial. O'Reilly's a lying douchebag.

I don't have to find someone on the left ridiculous to be right in seeing someone on the Right as the same. But if you're working yourself into some kind of hellacious hissy fit, don't let me stop you.

[Your Mom]

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I'm sure you also think that the first blogger is ridiculous as well, right?

Well, I wouldn't say ridiculous, and my opinion is based more on her reflexive "feminism" than for her comments on Catholics. She's tediously controversial. O'Reilly's a lying douchebag.

I don't have to find someone on the left ridiculous to be right in seeing someone on the Right as the same. But if you're working yourself into some kind of hellacious hissy fit, don't let me stop you.

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Haha, anyone who says something derogatory about Christianity, in this case Catholics specifically, is "controversial." Give me a [censored] break. If I made a reference to putting Jews in the pizza oven, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be controversial. I'd be an anti-semetic bigot. If you're okay with your president or potential president employing these kind of people, then by all means, proceed. The fact that these people wrote these kind of things before Edwards hired them makes it worse, not better.

[Your Mom]

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I'm sure you also think that the first blogger is ridiculous as well, right?


I don't have to find someone on the left ridiculous to be right in seeing someone on the Right as the same. But if you're working yourself into some kind of hellacious hissy fit, don't let me stop you.

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Agreed on this part

[bisonbison]

Haha, anyone who says something derogatory about Christianity, in this case Catholics specifically, is "controversial." Give me a [censored] break.

Yes. That's what I said. Bravo, captain reading.

If I made a reference to putting Jews in the pizza oven, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be controversial.

No, you would be controversial. You would also be a bigot, and an idiot, but you would still be controversial. And I don't think attacking the Catholic church's stance on abortion, birth control and the scope of 'reproductive rights', however inflamatory the rhetoric used, is the same as mocking jews for the holocaust.

But that's just me. Somehow, criticizing people for what they freely believe and practice seems a little more fair than attacking people for what was done to them.

If you're okay with your president or potential president employing these kind of people, then by all means, proceed.

Proceed with what? Calling them tediously controversial? Calling Bill O'Reilly ridiculous?

[Your Mom]

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Haha, anyone who says something derogatory about Christianity, in this case Catholics specifically, is "controversial." Give me a [censored] break.

Yes. That's what I said. Bravo, captain reading.

If I made a reference to putting Jews in the pizza oven, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be controversial.

No, you would be controversial. You would also be a bigot, and an idiot, but you would still be controversial. And I don't think attacking the Catholic church's stance on abortion, birth control and the scope of 'reproductive rights', however inflamatory the rhetoric used, is the same as mocking jews for the holocaust.

But that's just me. Somehow, criticizing people for what they freely believe and practice seems a little more fair than attacking people for what was done to them.

If you're okay with your president or potential president employing these kind of people, then by all means, proceed.

Proceed with what? Calling them tediously controversial? Calling Bill O'Reilly ridiculous?

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there's a difference between criticizing the Church's beliefs and telling Mary to avoid the holy spirit's white sticky stuff. If you're going to be President, you probably shouldn't have people who make public comments like this on your staff. If you don't agree, then as I said, proceed.

[Actual God]

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I'm sure you also think that the first blogger is ridiculous as well, right?

Well, I wouldn't say ridiculous, and my opinion is based more on her reflexive "feminism" than for her comments on Catholics. She's tediously controversial. O'Reilly's a lying douchebag.

I don't have to find someone on the left ridiculous to be right in seeing someone on the Right as the same. But if you're working yourself into some kind of hellacious hissy fit, don't let me stop you.

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Haha, anyone who says something derogatory about Christianity, in this case Catholics specifically, is "controversial." Give me a [censored] break. If I made a reference to putting Jews in the pizza oven, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be controversial. I'd be an anti-semetic bigot. If you're okay with your president or potential president employing these kind of people, then by all means, proceed. The fact that these people wrote these kind of things before Edwards hired them makes it worse, not better.

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How is "putting Jews in the pizza oven" the same as making a joke about the semen of the holy spirit? One is about murdering people, one is not.

[jackdaniels]

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Haha, anyone who says something derogatory about Christianity, in this case Catholics specifically, is "controversial." Give me a [censored] break. If I made a reference to putting Jews in the pizza oven ...

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Bad analogy. If you replaced "Catholics" with Jews, Muslims or any other religious group in the quote you provided from their blog, it would be the same. I have no problem with the quotes you gave. Damn fecking right keep out of my business!!! (and I don't care which religion you represent). In fact, many have said the same exact thing about Islam and it's propensity to regulate the private lives of people living in Muslim nations. The biggest difference here is that both Islam and Christianity are religions which have "world views" - views they would love to "share" with others (and it doesn't matter if these others subscribe to their religion or not). Judaism does NOT have a world view, it doesn't seek converts and doesn't attempt to "spread the truth". FWIW, in Israel there is a constant battle between religious and secular Jews for the same reasons we see constant battles here between the religious right and secular America. Once again the difference is that they don't attempt to "share" their religion with the rest of the world.

As for the main topic of this thread: I don't know much about Obama but anyone who can talk circles around Alan Keys (who is an excellent debater) deserves some consideration. I would love to see a Hillary/Obama ticket with Obama going for POTUS in 8 years. On the right, we will likely see a McCain nomination with someone other than Edwards or Giuliani on the same ticket. Edwards as VP could work but he already lost that battle. Giulianni isn't going anywhere as he will not be forgiven for past indiscretions. Also, New Yorkers generally don't like him - he was mean, tough and unapologetic while in office - great qualities to get the "job done" but bad ones when you are trying to run a general election and get that middle of the road vote.

Does anyone think being a smoker will hurt Obama? I've seen it mentioned here before. In todays day and age this is a pretty bad message to send home with soccer moms who are looking for a role model in their candidate.

[nyc999]

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Does anyone think being a smoker will hurt Obama? I've seen it mentioned here before. In todays day and age this is a pretty bad message to send home with soccer moms who are looking for a role model in their candidate.

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It might, but he did recently quit.