Official NE Patriots gogogogo to the SB thread

[EPiPeN11]

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I can get behind some of that but I think you are still underestimating the business side of his decision. The Pats presented him with a perfect situation in which he could a) make more money and b) win. I would like to believe that a) and b) played equally in his decision but if anything I think a) was likely more influential. He is rich but money does get spent and Moss, like most athletes, has only a limited amount of time to accumulate the largest possible sum of money to support himself.

In the end, if the Pats offer him a reasonable deal, he will accept, in my opinion. But it is hopelessly naive to believe that money was a minor factor in his initial decision.

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It was a minor factor in his inital decision or else he would have finished out his year in Oakland, signed a 1 year contract with a team that he would have the best chance to blow up with, and then sign a huge contract. Of course Moss cares somewhat about the money, everyone does, but if you don't think his main reason by far is winning you are crazy.

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I don't mean to sound like a dick, but you are forgetting that he is getting on in years and the most important part of a NFL contract is the guaranteed money. Why would he wait a extra year when teams might be reluctant to give him more years or more guaranteed money? And besides, you are assuming he could have found a situation as perfect as New England. HOF bound QBs with elite O-lines and solid supporting casts aren't that common. It was the perfect storm but it should be clear that money was at least as important as winning, if not more so.

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Ok I am done with this argument. You claim money was as important to Randy Moss than winning was when everything is pointing in the other direction.

[Zutroy]

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I can get behind some of that but I think you are still underestimating the business side of his decision. The Pats presented him with a perfect situation in which he could a) make more money and b) win. I would like to believe that a) and b) played equally in his decision but if anything I think a) was likely more influential. He is rich but money does get spent and Moss, like most athletes, has only a limited amount of time to accumulate the largest possible sum of money to support himself.

In the end, if the Pats offer him a reasonable deal, he will accept, in my opinion. But it is hopelessly naive to believe that money was a minor factor in his initial decision.

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It was a minor factor in his inital decision or else he would have finished out his year in Oakland, signed a 1 year contract with a team that he would have the best chance to blow up with, and then sign a huge contract. Of course Moss cares somewhat about the money, everyone does, but if you don't think his main reason by far is winning you are crazy.

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I don't mean to sound like a dick, but you are forgetting that he is getting on in years and the most important part of a NFL contract is the guaranteed money. Why would he wait a extra year when teams might be reluctant to give him more years or more guaranteed money? And besides, you are assuming he could have found a situation as perfect as New England. HOF bound QBs with elite O-lines and solid supporting casts aren't that common. It was the perfect storm but it should be clear that money was at least as important as winning, if not more so.

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Ok I am done with this argument. You claim money was as important to Randy Moss than winning was when everything is pointing in the other direction.

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Actually it's not pointing in the other direction but whatever.

[Jay Riall]

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I never said I knew 100 percent for sure what his heart was. However if I am a fool for thinking that Moss cares more about winning than about the money, the people who think that Moss cares more about money than winning are 100000x more foolish than me.

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lol you're an idiot. Just be quiet.

[EPiPeN11]

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I can get behind some of that but I think you are still underestimating the business side of his decision. The Pats presented him with a perfect situation in which he could a) make more money and b) win. I would like to believe that a) and b) played equally in his decision but if anything I think a) was likely more influential. He is rich but money does get spent and Moss, like most athletes, has only a limited amount of time to accumulate the largest possible sum of money to support himself.

In the end, if the Pats offer him a reasonable deal, he will accept, in my opinion. But it is hopelessly naive to believe that money was a minor factor in his initial decision.

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It was a minor factor in his inital decision or else he would have finished out his year in Oakland, signed a 1 year contract with a team that he would have the best chance to blow up with, and then sign a huge contract. Of course Moss cares somewhat about the money, everyone does, but if you don't think his main reason by far is winning you are crazy.

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I don't mean to sound like a dick, but you are forgetting that he is getting on in years and the most important part of a NFL contract is the guaranteed money. Why would he wait a extra year when teams might be reluctant to give him more years or more guaranteed money? And besides, you are assuming he could have found a situation as perfect as New England. HOF bound QBs with elite O-lines and solid supporting casts aren't that common. It was the perfect storm but it should be clear that money was at least as important as winning, if not more so.

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Ok I am done with this argument. You claim money was as important to Randy Moss than winning was when everything is pointing in the other direction.

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Actually it's not pointing in the other direction but whatever.

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So if Moss resigns with the Patriots or another winning team for less than what he could have gotten somewhere else, what will you say? That money was just as important?

[Jay Riall]

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Ok I am done with this argument. You claim money was as important to Randy Moss than winning was when everything is pointing in the other direction.

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Yeah because a players actions over less than 3 months proves everything right?

[EPiPeN11]

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Ok I am done with this argument. You claim money was as important to Randy Moss than winning was when everything is pointing in the other direction.

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Yeah because a players actions over less than 3 months proves everything right?

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Moss didn't quit on his Vikings team when they were winning, yet quit on them when they started losing. Then he quit on the Raiders when they started losing as well. Sounds like you are the idiot.

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How does Moss avoid all risk by coming to New England? The chances of him blowing out an ACL here are the same this year if he had stayed in Oakland. All he has to worry about is the 1 year after that, and it's not like if Moss blew out his ACL in that year he wouldn't be set for life as is. And like I said, ACL injuries are very uncommon, especially if you limit the window to 1 year and not a career.

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yeah, because the only way randy moss could suffer a career-ending (or career-threatening, or even value-diminishing) injury is if he blows out an ACL. it was just one example of many possible outcomes, people get hurt all the time.

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He already has a enough money to retire today. You forget he signed a 75 million dollar contract with the Vikings.

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OH MY GOD I TOTALLY FORGOT THAT RANDY MOSS IS RICH!!!!|!|!

thanks for reminding me!

lots and lots of athletes could retire today, that doesn't mean they accept ludicrous below-market offers like 4-6 million for 3 years after having a historically great season. if moss signs less than a five year deal i will be SHOCKED.

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You also have to factor in the 7 mil that Moss GAVE UP this year into his contract for the next few years. So say Moss gained 15 mil more because of his break out season, he really only gained 8 because of the 7 mil he already gave up.

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thanks for the arithmetic lesson.

now suppose instead of signing for 4/25 he gets a deal for 6/60. how much did he make now? do that math, and you are getting closer to what his agent told him right before he said he wanted to play with tom brady.

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You also gotta figure if he wins a superbowl, his attitude of I just wanna win might change. I got the ring, now bring me the bling.

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How does Moss avoid all risk by coming to New England? The chances of him blowing out an ACL here are the same this year if he had stayed in Oakland. All he has to worry about is the 1 year after that, and it's not like if Moss blew out his ACL in that year he wouldn't be set for life as is. And like I said, ACL injuries are very uncommon, especially if you limit the window to 1 year and not a career.

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yeah, because the only way randy moss could suffer a career-ending (or career-threatening, or even value-diminishing) injury is if he blows out an ACL. it was just one example of many possible outcomes, people get hurt all the time.

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He already has a enough money to retire today. You forget he signed a 75 million dollar contract with the Vikings.

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OH MY GOD I TOTALLY FORGOT THAT RANDY MOSS IS RICH!!!!|!|!

thanks for reminding me!

lots and lots of athletes could retire today, that doesn't mean they accept ludicrous below-market offers like 4-6 million for 3 years after having a historically great season. if moss signs less than a five year deal i will be SHOCKED.

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You also have to factor in the 7 mil that Moss GAVE UP this year into his contract for the next few years. So say Moss gained 15 mil more because of his break out season, he really only gained 8 because of the 7 mil he already gave up.

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thanks for the arithmetic lesson.

now suppose instead of signing for 4/25 he gets a deal for 6/60. how much did he make now? do that math, and you are getting closer to what his agent told him right before he said he wanted to play with tom brady.

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The chances of Moss suffering a career ending injury in 1 year of playing is like roughly 1 percent. Seriously it's not common at all, and is of much less concern to someone who has already made a ton during his playing days than a rookie or someone who hasn't.

And no one thought that Moss would get 6 years 60 million before the season started, and there is almost no way even with Moss putting up the ridiculous #'s he has so far that the Patriots would pay him that anyway. They will just franchise him instead and get him for 1 year for cheaper money.

[Zutroy]

You are dealing in absolutes and you are assuming quite a lot, which I believe is where the problem lies. My position is that he accepted a trade/paycut to play with the Pats because he enjoys winning and enjoys money. The money is likely the more important of the two but Im willing to believe they are equal. Why would he stay in Oakland and look for a one year "prove-your-self" deal when he could just accept the trade and play with one of the best QBs of our, or any, generation? Do you not see how that is much more profitable from his perspective?

Now, what I am not saying, is that he doesn't care at all about winning and that he is looking for a monster contract from some [censored] team. But it is clear (isn't it?) that he will make a lot more money if he resigns with the Pats for a 7-10 per year with a decent signing bonus then if he had stayed in Oakland.