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03-20-2006, 02:07 PM
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Re: Red Sox Trade Arroyo to Reds for Wily Mo Pena
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[ QUOTE ] Good move for the Reds. Crowded outfield less crowded and quality arm joins the starting staff. And Arroyo has playoff experience. [/ QUOTE ] I think this move sucks for the reds unless arroyo k/9 improves. also, this [censored] me so hard in fantasy [/ QUOTE ] me too. i was hoping Bronson would get dealt to a pitcher's park. on the other hand, i just dealt Wily Mo for Jeff Mathis and 2 picks on the assumption that he'd be finally playing full time. score one for me 
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03-20-2006, 02:10 PM
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Re: Red Sox Trade Arroyo to Reds for Wily Mo Pena
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I think this move sucks for the reds unless arroyo k/9 improves. [/ QUOTE ] why?
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03-20-2006, 02:14 PM
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Re: Red Sox Trade Arroyo to Reds for Wily Mo Pena
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[ QUOTE ] I think this move sucks for the reds unless arroyo k/9 improves. [/ QUOTE ] why? [/ QUOTE ] From 04 to 05: His ERA went up 1/2 a run WHIP went up 10 points Ks went from 147 to 100 H/9 went up 1/2 a hit all this, and his IP went up ~30 innings
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03-20-2006, 02:45 PM
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Re: Red Sox Trade Arroyo to Reds for Wily Mo Pena
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think this move sucks for the reds unless arroyo k/9 improves. [/ QUOTE ] why? [/ QUOTE ] From 04 to 05: His ERA went up 1/2 a run WHIP went up 10 points Ks went from 147 to 100 H/9 went up 1/2 a hit all this, and his IP went up ~30 innings [/ QUOTE ] keep in mind that the run environment went down in the AL, too. it was a pretty large dropoff in value, although he's still an above average-starter and he's death against rhb.
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03-20-2006, 02:53 PM
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Re: Red Sox Trade Arroyo to Reds for Wily Mo Pena
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think this move sucks for the reds unless arroyo k/9 improves. [/ QUOTE ] why? [/ QUOTE ] From 04 to 05: His ERA went up 1/2 a run WHIP went up 10 points Ks went from 147 to 100 H/9 went up 1/2 a hit all this, and his IP went up ~30 innings [/ QUOTE ] ok, but k/9 is only a part of what is causing those results.
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03-20-2006, 03:11 PM
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Re: Red Sox Trade Arroyo to Reds for Wily Mo Pena
as a reds fan, i'm pleased with the deal...
we need pitching, and we already have a strike out king on the roster. (adam dunn) edit - you Sox fans are in for a treat when/if Willy Mo gets to the outfield... quite possibly the worst defensive outfielder i've ever seen.
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03-20-2006, 03:14 PM
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Re: Red Sox Trade Arroyo to Reds for Wily Mo Pena
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as a reds fan, i'm pleased with the deal... we need pitching, and we already have a strike out king on the roster. (adam dunn) [/ QUOTE ] yeah god forbid the roster had more adam dunns [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] nate, care to give us a preview of BPros take on this? I have to see it as a huge + for the red sox as PECOTA values pena over arroyo and pena is still cost controlled (not sure about cash in this deal). i am confused as to why cincy would do this.
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03-20-2006, 03:53 PM
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Re: Red Sox Trade Arroyo to Reds for Wily Mo Pena
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nate, care to give us a preview of BPros take on this? I have to see it as a huge + for the red sox as PECOTA values pena over arroyo and pena is still cost controlled (not sure about cash in this deal). [/ QUOTE ] Obviously, it's a fine deal for the Sox. But you knew that. [ QUOTE ] i am confused as to why cincy would do this. [/ QUOTE ] A lot of times, teams will think of "need" in a very literal way. The Reds clearly "need" some pitching. But, there really isn't any benefit in filling that need unless you have a surplus somewhere else; otherwise you just shift that need to a different position. Basically, the Reds belong with the Rockies and the Royals on baseball's short bus.
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03-20-2006, 03:55 PM
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i am confused as to why cincy would do this. [/ QUOTE ] Because of an overcrowded outfield, weak pitching, and an offense that is already very good. Peņa is decent, but I would rather have Kearns, Griffey, Dunn out there. Peņa's defense is rather lackluster.
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03-20-2006, 03:56 PM
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Re: Red Sox Trade Arroyo to Reds for Wily Mo Pena
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[ QUOTE ] i am confused as to why cincy would do this. [/ QUOTE ] Because of an overcrowded outfield, weak pitching, and an offense that is already very good. Peņa is decent, but I would rather have Kearns, Griffey, Dunn out there. Peņa's defense is rather lackluster. [/ QUOTE ] remember they have a 1b need because they dealt casey. and for why this f-s me in fantasy, go look at pena's rank vs production.
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