Bluff river raise against a TAG

[danzasmack]

BAH YOU KIDS GO MAKE YOUR CRAZY BLUFFS I VALUE BET 44 HERE AND GET PAID OFF

these threads make the internet seem so small and so huge @ the same time

[BrassMonkey]

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BAH YOU KIDS GO MAKE YOUR CRAZY BLUFFS I VALUE BET 44 HERE AND GET PAID OFF

these threads make the internet seem so small and so huge @ the same time

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Lol - whoa.

[Apanage]

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i really like this, do it in terms of math, if you risk 1BB to win 7.2BB, then if your play is profitable 1 out of 6.2 times your break even. Against a TAG he is definitely laying it down enough to make this profitable, VNH SIR

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I see two problems with your reasoning.

1. You´re risking 2BB to win 7.20 not 1BB.
2. The same TAG that is capable of folding the river to your raise doesn´t bet the river if we are generally speaking.

[danzasmack]

brass that's my 2nd to last day of work way of saying "meh this is prob not that bad if you have an ok image people are re's sometimes and somebody told somebody to tell somebody to 3-bet out of the bb w/a nice sized range, wasn't me though"

but if you're doing this because you think he b/f's KK (not saying you are) the express train to optimism town left yesterday and you're stuck here with us for a while. srry.

[BrassMonkey]

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brass that's my 2nd to last day of work way of saying "meh this is prob not that bad if you have an ok image people are re's sometimes and somebody told somebody to tell somebody to 3-bet out of the bb w/a nice sized range, wasn't me though"

but if you're doing this because you think he b/f's KK (not saying you are) the express train to optimism town left yesterday and you're stuck here with us for a while. srry.

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Hehe. I'd probably consider tossing my KK here 1/4 times against a decent TAG, if I were to bet it at all. That's kinda what went through my head when I made the play. Oh well.

[Heisenb3rg]

Danza... This is why I advocate also raising light with Ax in these spots, even if its almost -EV..

It gives you opportunities to rep the bluffs in the future.

If you wouldn't raise AT/A9 in this spot, then you shouldn't bluff.

Against a lot of TAGS , this river raise is a bluff most of the time... simply because they would never raise Ax medium kicker here.

[BrassMonkey]

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Danza... This is why I advocate also raising light with Ax in these spots, even if its almost -EV..

It gives you opportunities to rep the bluffs in the future.

If you wouldn't raise AT/A9 in this spot, then you shouldn't bluff.

Against a lot of TAGS , this river raise is a bluff most of the time... simply because they would never raise Ax medium kicker here.

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I would, for sure. Not sure villian knew that, though, unfortunately.

[danzasmack]

Think that might be going a little too far to substantiate your bluffs?

IME people will react to think value raises a lot differently than you're anticipating, but that may be a "how they treat" me vs. "how they treat you" thing. But TBH i don't think so.