Is this the right way to play, or should I have just called the flop?

[Profish2285]

I think the c/r is more than just trying to get value, but also to help define hands. What are we doing if we flat call here and an over hits? If we are going to c/c again, then what do we do on the river? I would rather c/r the flop than have to c/c to the river having no idea where Im at.

[thac]

You still risk the same amount and you're not even going to showdown when you cr/fold the flop.

[iheartponeez]

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You still risk the same amount and you're not even going to showdown when you cr/fold the flop.

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No, it's more expensive going to showdown.

1.25 on the flop, then it's a 4.6 pot
2.50 on the turn, then it's a 9.6 pot
4.50 on the river.

And those are bets of about 1/2 pot each time, pretty low. It's still over 3 dollars more that way.

[Profish2285]

How do you figure you risk the same amount? Villain is only going to be betting a total of 4 dollars more from now til showdown?

[thac]

This is assuming that he bets all 3 streets. I really don't think he's gonna try to get value on all three streets with a bunch of his hands. I think c/c flop, c/c turn, c/f river is a great line here.

[creamfillin]

Check/call; lead turn. If he has a piece of that board he's likely to just call the turn lead, and he probably isn't raising us with an overpair after we donk the turn because he'll think we have a monster. This lets us get a look at 6 outs on the river if we don't have the best hand already and if he had a piece of the board then hell likely check behind and let us show down.

This is why I 3-bet because it makes everything so much easier.

[z28dreams]

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(1) you can get a better hand to fold
(2) for value against a hand that will call


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[z28dreams]

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Check/call; lead turn. If he has a piece of that board he's likely to just call the turn lead, and he probably isn't raising us with an overpair after we donk the turn because he'll think we have a monster. This lets us get a look at 6 outs on the river if we don't have the best hand already and if he had a piece of the board then hell likely check behind and let us show down.

This is why I 3-bet because it makes everything so much easier.

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This actually sounds like a decent line - I normally take Thac's line (check/call down or fold to large bets).

I think the turn lead is sort of equivalent to a c/r, but it's a little nicer because if they are drawing with an 8 or a 4 it makes it much harder for them to call now.

[bknollenberg]

i agree with 3 betting preflop. on the flop i think it's safe to say his range is overpair, set or possibly 2 pair / made straight. most of the time this is probably JJ+ or a set. if you 3 bet preflop you're probably getting him off of 55-77, and if he has JJ+ he's probably 4 betting you and you can dump it (ok, maybe he'll only 4 bet QQ+, but same difference). as played, i'd probably take thac's line since your hand has good showdown value and you've got 6 outs that'll (more or less) give you the nuts. i don't really like leading the turn because then you're missing out on seeing the river / showdown if he raises and you've put too much money in to miss out on that. the only hand that i can possibly see you beating on this flop is 88, and i do have notes on some villains that will take this line with overpair / open ended in a spot like this, but it'd take a lot of history with a guy for me to be able to make this call, effectively putting him on one hand.

[Unknown Soldier]

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This is why I 3-bet because it makes everything so much easier.

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