Hand vs. Rizen $109 rebuy - Page 3

Rizen · #21 03-06-2006, 02:15 PM

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Rizen (big blind) showed [7h 8s] and won (19955) with a flush, Ace high

cheeky sod [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Edit: He did play a great hand. I just knew that he was capable of it.

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FWIW I personally think calling 10k to win 9.5k when that's the BEST possible outcome is a bad call. I definitely agree with everyone that said shove the turn.

Also, I had no idea that this player was a 2+2er. I read him as a solid player, but no idea he knew anything about me other than he somehow knew I won the 'Big Deal' Sunday, which was posted both here and on Pocket 5s.

I'm not a big fan of making a 1:1 call when you're playing the board, unless the board contains the nuts. Re-pop me on the turn and you get the whole pot [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-Rizen

uclabruinz · #22 03-06-2006, 02:16 PM

I don't think he makes that turn bet with the nut flush, and even if he does by some small chance have the nut flush, you spike a boat or quads on the river. Poker is easy.

woodguy · #23 03-06-2006, 02:20 PM

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Would Rizen need the nut flush to call? Would he call with *ANY* flush there? Hero probably cbets most of the time with the A/K on the flop, doesn't he?

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That's probably right, so you can remove one of the "very's" from each of my statements.

Regards,
Woodguy

uclabruinz · #24 03-06-2006, 02:22 PM

By the way, the other thing that makes the turn push mandatory is stack size. You played this hand as though the stack sizes were reversed. Make Rizen decide whether to risk his tourney life on a weak flush or worse knowing you might hold the nuts. Even if you lose, you are still in fine shape.

adanthar · #25 03-06-2006, 02:25 PM

I thought 'shove the turn' .3 seconds after reading this, but I've played with Rizen a few times before [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Calling the river is fairly bad...not as bad as vs. almost any other player, but bad.

PS: Congrats man, I'm jealous as hell.

seke2 · #26 03-06-2006, 02:28 PM

For those of you saying calling the river is bad, since I did the math and it seems like it's a +EV call unless you believe there's at least a 50% chance that the opponent has a diamond ... does that mean you think the average unknown player has a diamond at least 50% of the time on this river push?

uclabruinz · #27 03-06-2006, 02:29 PM

The interesting question is for Rizen to answer. What hands would you call the turn push with here?

NoahSD · #28 03-06-2006, 02:31 PM

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[Do] you think the average unknown player has a diamond at least 50% of the time on this river push?

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Yes.

uclabruinz · #29 03-06-2006, 02:31 PM

I am also interested in opinions on Rizen's river push.

Rizen · #30 03-06-2006, 03:16 PM

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The interesting question is for Rizen to answer. What hands would you call the turn push with here?

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I'd seriously consider calling with ANYTHING that beats the board here. Even a miniscule chance at a scoop makes this call much better than no chance at all. You have to figure that my push here is either a complete bluff, or a value bet with something like the J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or better. Any lesser diamond and I'm pretty sure a thinking player is check/calling here. Based on the board and the action I'd weight it about 70/30 for my real hands vs my bluffs, which makes calling with any hand that can scoop a bluff clearly profitable.

Just my .02 with some very short analysis, I haven't really dug into it too deeply yet.

-Rizen