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11-04-2007, 03:48 PM
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Re: Rumsfeld found promoting propaganda about terror threats
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Yes, part of the reason they terrorize us is because we are over there. The other part? It's in their flippin' religion. "slay the disbelievers". [/ QUOTE ] do you an exact phrase for this? 
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11-04-2007, 04:33 PM
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Re: Rumsfeld found promoting propaganda about terror threats
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[ QUOTE ] Yes, part of the reason they terrorize us is because we are over there. The other part? It's in their flippin' religion. "slay the disbelievers". [/ QUOTE ] do you an exact phrase for this? [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 002.191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. [/ QUOTE ] That was from some islam.com site, I'm in bed and don't want to get up to find my Koran.
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11-04-2007, 04:57 PM
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Re: Rumsfeld found promoting propaganda about terror threats
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[ QUOTE ] Yes, part of the reason they terrorize us is because we are over there. The other part? It's in their flippin' religion. "slay the disbelievers". [/ QUOTE ] do you an exact phrase for this? [/ QUOTE ] Actually there are a great many phrases like this, and regarding the duty of Muslims to subjugate the non-believers, etc. etc. etc. and these verses are found in many places in the Koran. Many of those verses have in fact been quoted verbatim on this forum.
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11-04-2007, 06:07 PM
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Re: Rumsfeld found promoting propaganda about terror threats
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yes, part of the reason they terrorize us is because we are over there. The other part? It's in their flippin' religion. "slay the disbelievers". [/ QUOTE ] do you an exact phrase for this? [/ QUOTE ] Actually there are a great many phrases like this, and regarding the duty of Muslims to subjugate the non-believers, etc. etc. etc. and these verses are found in many places in the Koran. Many of those verses have in fact been quoted verbatim on this forum. [/ QUOTE ] The hell with religions! what say you?
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11-04-2007, 07:16 PM
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Re: Rumsfeld found promoting propaganda about terror threats
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yes, part of the reason they terrorize us is because we are over there. The other part? It's in their flippin' religion. "slay the disbelievers". [/ QUOTE ] do you an exact phrase for this? [/ QUOTE ] Actually there are a great many phrases like this, and regarding the duty of Muslims to subjugate the non-believers, etc. etc. etc. and these verses are found in many places in the Koran. Many of those verses have in fact been quoted verbatim on this forum. [/ QUOTE ] The hell with religions! what say you? [/ QUOTE ] What is the question?
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11-04-2007, 07:18 PM
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Re: Rumsfeld found promoting propaganda about terror threats
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yes, part of the reason they terrorize us is because we are over there. The other part? It's in their flippin' religion. "slay the disbelievers". [/ QUOTE ] do you an exact phrase for this? [/ QUOTE ] Actually there are a great many phrases like this, and regarding the duty of Muslims to subjugate the non-believers, etc. etc. etc. and these verses are found in many places in the Koran. Many of those verses have in fact been quoted verbatim on this forum. [/ QUOTE ] Yes and there are no phrases in the Bible about killing unbelievers and stoning sinners to death. Oh wait.......
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11-04-2007, 07:30 PM
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Re: Rumsfeld found promoting propaganda about terror threats
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yes, part of the reason they terrorize us is because we are over there. The other part? It's in their flippin' religion. "slay the disbelievers". [/ QUOTE ] do you an exact phrase for this? [/ QUOTE ] Actually there are a great many phrases like this, and regarding the duty of Muslims to subjugate the non-believers, etc. etc. etc. and these verses are found in many places in the Koran. Many of those verses have in fact been quoted verbatim on this forum. [/ QUOTE ] Yes and there are no phrases in the Bible about killing unbelievers and stoning sinners to death. Oh wait....... [/ QUOTE ] And Jesus preached the duty of all Christians to subjugate the non-believers and force them to live under Christian or Jewish law, and Jesus personally conducted wars of conquest, and Jesus personally captured and kept slaves, and Jesus preached to fight your enemies (rather than to love and forgive them), and Jesus personally had executed 600 defenseless Jews at Medina, just like Mohammed did - right? I mean, the differences between what Jesus and Mohammed each preached and lived by were negligible, correct? Jesus did all the above things just like Mohammed did. Got it. No wonder people can't see any difference. The two religions are as alike as two peas.
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11-04-2007, 08:01 PM
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Re: Rumsfeld found promoting propaganda about terror threats
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yes, part of the reason they terrorize us is because we are over there. The other part? It's in their flippin' religion. "slay the disbelievers". [/ QUOTE ] do you an exact phrase for this? [/ QUOTE ] Actually there are a great many phrases like this, and regarding the duty of Muslims to subjugate the non-believers, etc. etc. etc. and these verses are found in many places in the Koran. Many of those verses have in fact been quoted verbatim on this forum. [/ QUOTE ] Yes and there are no phrases in the Bible about killing unbelievers and stoning sinners to death. Oh wait....... [/ QUOTE ] Uhhh. Relevance? We aren't discussing "which religion is better" we're talking about islamic terrorism.
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#29
11-04-2007, 08:17 PM
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Re: Rumsfeld found promoting propaganda about terror threats
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yes, part of the reason they terrorize us is because we are over there. The other part? It's in their flippin' religion. "slay the disbelievers". [/ QUOTE ] do you an exact phrase for this? [/ QUOTE ] Actually there are a great many phrases like this, and regarding the duty of Muslims to subjugate the non-believers, etc. etc. etc. and these verses are found in many places in the Koran. Many of those verses have in fact been quoted verbatim on this forum. [/ QUOTE ] Yes and there are no phrases in the Bible about killing unbelievers and stoning sinners to death. Oh wait....... [/ QUOTE ] And Jesus preached the duty of all Christians to subjugate the non-believers and force them to live under Christian or Jewish law, and Jesus personally conducted wars of conquest, and Jesus personally captured and kept slaves, and Jesus preached to fight your enemies (rather than to love and forgive them), and Jesus personally had executed 600 defenseless Jews at Medina, just like Mohammed did - right? I mean, the differences between what Jesus and Mohammed each preached and lived by were negligible, correct? Jesus did all the above things just like Mohammed did. Got it. No wonder people can't see any difference. The two religions are as alike as two peas. [/ QUOTE ] If you go by the book, Christianity has much less tolerance for other beliefs than Islam. And the Mohammed as you refer to is no better or worse than the David of the bible. Which is who he should be compared to; he is seen as a prophet - not a god like Jesus is seen as.
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11-04-2007, 08:21 PM
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Re: Rumsfeld found promoting propaganda about terror threats
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yes, part of the reason they terrorize us is because we are over there. The other part? It's in their flippin' religion. "slay the disbelievers". [/ QUOTE ] do you an exact phrase for this? [/ QUOTE ] Actually there are a great many phrases like this, and regarding the duty of Muslims to subjugate the non-believers, etc. etc. etc. and these verses are found in many places in the Koran. Many of those verses have in fact been quoted verbatim on this forum. [/ QUOTE ] Strictly those passages typically refer to 'kafir', which mainstream Muslim authorities say does not apply to Christians and Jews, since they are also People of the Book. This is supported in various way, such as passages that refer to 'kaffir and the People of the Book,' and passages impling that Christians and Jews may go to heaven. A liberal interpretation would be that the term is intended to specifically refer to the pagan Arabs of the middle east at the time, who persecuted the early Muslims. This makes sense if you consider that the Muslims only began using the term to describe African non-Muslims around the 15th century, according to wiki. And some Muslims interpret it in the way you do, but not most.
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