Alternative energy and the Automobile Industry

[Orlando Salazar]

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Everyone knows the auto industry lobbies heavily against emissions standards dot dot dot et cetera...

From a policy perspective, what are some potential productive ways to promote alternative or renewable energy without harming the automobile industry?

Subsidizing hybrid research and development?

That's all I can think of, cuz I'm a tard.

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bio butanol

[Ineedaride2]

This article was very interesting to me. I wish I was as good at anything as this guy is with vehicles.

It seems that the auto industry has no intentions on being revolutionary. They will only change as much as they have to to stay competitive.

Even the market leaders evolve a little at a time. I'm interested in seeing how Tesla motors affects the industry.

[Mr_Moore]

Will we see airplanes driven by more environmental healthy engine's any time soon?
What is the dream regarding alternative fueling?
In the best case scenario, what kind of motors do we have in 20-50 years. What kind of performance are we looking at? what kind of special features?

[Moseley]

You need not worry about "harming" the automobile or oil industries. There are over 100 kinds of autos (available throughout the world) that get over 40 MPG on the highway, and only two are available in the U.S., and they are the expensive ones.

The Kia Rio gets 38MPG under perfect conditions and its base price is 10.5K

Does that give you an indication of who is running the show?

[Actual God]

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You need not worry about "harming" the automobile or oil industries. There are over 100 kinds of autos (available throughout the world) that get over 40 MPG on the highway, and only two are available in the U.S., and they are the expensive ones.

The Kia Rio gets 38MPG under perfect conditions and its base price is 10.5K

Does that give you an indication of who is running the show?

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why doesn't detroit put out loads of these types of cars then?

[Mojo56]

The diesel engine.

[Moseley]

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You need not worry about "harming" the automobile or oil industries. There are over 100 kinds of autos (available throughout the world) that get over 40 MPG on the highway, and only two are available in the U.S., and they are the expensive ones.

The Kia Rio gets 38MPG under perfect conditions and its base price is 10.5K

Does that give you an indication of who is running the show?

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why doesn't detroit put out loads of these types of cars then?

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Have you been to detroit lately? It's almost a ghost town.

Did you see the documentary on HBO about the electric car they tried to push in L.A.? According to the sales reps they interviewed, they had long waiting lists for the cars.
They were, however, using a poor design of battery, and not using the battery invented by ....I forget his name, but bought his company. Later an oil company bought the battery company and the cars were taken back from the customers who were leasing them ( you could only lease them) and crushed, so that any memory of them would be forgotten.

Those cars were expensive, however, they were not being mass produced, as GM was testing the waters. In the documentary, they interviewed a guy who had a cute sports car, that he claims runs like a sports car and gets 300 miles to a charge.

Why has there been no federal raise in the required MPG on cars in over 25 years?

It's like I've been saying for years, just as Eisenhower warned us of the Military Industrial Complex, I have been advocating that the U.S. is run by the Big Business Machine.

Bottom line: There is a lot of oil left. It's there and it has a value and the oil companies are all setup to profit from it. They don't want to retool until they have no other choice.

Have you notice how last year, when oil went from $55 a barrel to $65 a barrel, gas prices shot up, but this year, they are pushing $100 a barrel and I still get gas at the price I was paying when it was $65 a barrel.

Whazzup with that?.... Because they know a corresponding price increase at the pump will have deflationary effects on the economy, which will have a more negative effect than them making X more dimes per gallon. In addition, with the subprime market and the Bush Deficit screaming : U.S. economy in trouble! They don't want to add fuel to the fire.

[Actual God]

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You need not worry about "harming" the automobile or oil industries. There are over 100 kinds of autos (available throughout the world) that get over 40 MPG on the highway, and only two are available in the U.S., and they are the expensive ones.

The Kia Rio gets 38MPG under perfect conditions and its base price is 10.5K

Does that give you an indication of who is running the show?

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why doesn't detroit put out loads of these types of cars then?

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Have you been to detroit lately? It's almost a ghost town.

Did you see the documentary on HBO about the electric car they tried to push in L.A.? According to the sales reps they interviewed, they had long waiting lists for the cars.
They were, however, using a poor design of battery, and not using the battery invented by ....I forget his name, but bought his company. Later an oil company bought the battery company and the cars were taken back from the customers who were leasing them ( you could only lease them) and crushed, so that any memory of them would be forgotten.

Those cars were expensive, however, they were not being mass produced, as GM was testing the waters. In the documentary, they interviewed a guy who had a cute sports car, that he claims runs like a sports car and gets 300 miles to a charge.

Why has there been no federal raise in the required MPG on cars in over 25 years?

It's like I've been saying for years, just as Eisenhower warned us of the Military Industrial Complex, I have been advocating that the U.S. is run by the Big Business Machine.

Bottom line: There is a lot of oil left. It's there and it has a value and the oil companies are all setup to profit from it. They don't want to retool until they have no other choice.

Have you notice how last year, when oil went from $55 a barrel to $65 a barrel, gas prices shot up, but this year, they are pushing $100 a barrel and I still get gas at the price I was paying when it was $65 a barrel.

Whazzup with that?.... Because they know a corresponding price increase at the pump will have deflationary effects on the economy, which will have a more negative effect than them making X more dimes per gallon. In addition, with the subprime market and the Bush Deficit screaming : U.S. economy in trouble! They don't want to add fuel to the fire.

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good post, thanks.

[Moseley]

Here is what George Carlin has to say:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...eoID=935607276

[Copernicus]

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You need not worry about "harming" the automobile or oil industries. There are over 100 kinds of autos (available throughout the world) that get over 40 MPG on the highway, and only two are available in the U.S., and they are the expensive ones.

The Kia Rio gets 38MPG under perfect conditions and its base price is 10.5K

Does that give you an indication of who is running the show?

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why doesn't detroit put out loads of these types of cars then?

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Have you been to detroit lately? It's almost a ghost town.

Did you see the documentary on HBO about the electric car they tried to push in L.A.? According to the sales reps they interviewed, they had long waiting lists for the cars.
They were, however, using a poor design of battery, and not using the battery invented by ....I forget his name, but bought his company. Later an oil company bought the battery company and the cars were taken back from the customers who were leasing them ( you could only lease them) and crushed, so that any memory of them would be forgotten.

Those cars were expensive, however, they were not being mass produced, as GM was testing the waters. In the documentary, they interviewed a guy who had a cute sports car, that he claims runs like a sports car and gets 300 miles to a charge.

Why has there been no federal raise in the required MPG on cars in over 25 years?

It's like I've been saying for years, just as Eisenhower warned us of the Military Industrial Complex, I have been advocating that the U.S. is run by the Big Business Machine.

Bottom line: There is a lot of oil left. It's there and it has a value and the oil companies are all setup to profit from it. They don't want to retool until they have no other choice.

Have you notice how last year, when oil went from $55 a barrel to $65 a barrel, gas prices shot up, but this year, they are pushing $100 a barrel and I still get gas at the price I was paying when it was $65 a barrel.

Whazzup with that?.... Because they know a corresponding price increase at the pump will have deflationary effects on the economy, which will have a more negative effect than them making X more dimes per gallon. In addition, with the subprime market and the Bush Deficit screaming : U.S. economy in trouble! They don't want to add fuel to the fire.

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good post, thanks.

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Yeah youre right, it couldnt have anything to do with market fundamentals.

"Some analysts argue that the underlying fundamentals don’t support such high prices, and say speculative buying is the real reason prices are rising. Tim Evans, an analyst at Citigroup Inc. in New York, noted that despite last week’s decline in domestic inventories, supplies remain high by historic standards. Also, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries is set to boost production by 500,000 barrels a day beginning Nov. 1.

“What we’re seeing ... is rising supply and relatively weak demand,” Evans said. He believes oil’s “true value” is closer to $65 a barrel."