Worst hand i've played in a while, 2 pair in a 3bet pot, need help.

[STARSCREAM.]

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No, I would still fold. It would look like hero has a K or a slowplayed set or top two. If there was just an A on board then I guess there is more of a justification for this move, but not an A and K.

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Just because you have enough sense to a fold to a line like that, certainly does not mean that a 50NL unknown would.

[Profish2285]

I retract my original statement about villain calling with QQ or JJ. I dont think they will on any street with both the A and the K. I am sure I have more sense than alot of the 50 NL world, but unless I know villain is an idiot, he will be scared of both the overcards.

[STARSCREAM.]

Being scared and letting go of that pretty pocket pair are two completly different things to a bad player.

[Profish2285]

This just seems very optimistic at best to me.

[Shattered]

So that, again, means that your flop bet is only getting called with AQ+ (unless he called you PF with AJ, and for the sake of this argument I'll say he didn't). This is classic WA/WB where villain knows exactly where he's at and is a spot where you should not bet.
A turn bet is necessary simply for protection: you have top two on a 3-flush 3-straight board in a 3-bet pot, and you're still folding to a raise.

[Profish2285]

When the Q or J come out and you stack off to that two outer that you werent worried about, you might start to re think this. I dont bet to protect against a two outer, but this is a clear value bet. If you disagree with that statement,then I am unsure why you 3 bet pf at all.

[ronitonline]

Looks like villian has QQ.
He can't assume you have AA/KK anymore so his turn and river bets make sense.
Regardless u have the best hand here probably zip-zero percent of the time

[Profish2285]

This is actually bothering me quite a bit that I really think about it. Why even 3-bet with a hand like this if youre not content with tpgk on this flop? AQ is a hand where you hit one pair and its usually good against typical villain ranges. If youre checking this flop, then which ones will you c-bet? Will you c-bet with air? How about AT3 with two clubs? Or AJ3 with two clubs? Are you soley waiting for A49 and boards very similar to that?

[ronitonline]

Profish, just because you are ahead of villians raising range doesnt mean you are equally ahead of his 3-bet calling range.
Saying when you hit a pair with AQ in a 3bet pot you are "content" is basically telling OP to lose money.

[ronitonline]

fwiw I like your turn call, but you have have have to dumb this river imo.