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Old 10-27-2007, 01:26 AM
Phil153 Phil153 is offline
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Default Re: (Re)Writing a New Constitution

The road to hell is paved with good intentions Mempho...the details are where a good idea becomes useful or harmful.
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Old 10-27-2007, 01:27 AM
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18) Attempts by politicians or judges to manipulate the system by circumventing or exploiting laws is also considered treason if convicted by a jury and punishable by death. Treason can occur on the federal, state, or local levels.

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I'm joining the insurgency if this gets ratified.

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There, I fixed it for you.

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Murder based on a group of twelve's p4ersonal definition of "manipulation"? Not for me.

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The risk would be a voluntary one undertaken by those who choose to enter politics.
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Old 10-27-2007, 01:28 AM
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My constitution:

Preamble: All men are created equal.

Article 1: Thou shall not steal.

Article 2: Thou shall not kill.

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Old 10-27-2007, 01:29 AM
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My constitution:

Preamble: All men are created equal.

Article 1: Thou shall not steal.

Article 2: Thou shall not kill.

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PS: there's really only one article. DUCY?
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Old 10-27-2007, 01:36 AM
MiloMinderbinder MiloMinderbinder is offline
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My constitution:

Preamble: All men are created equal.

Article 1: Thou shall not steal.

Article 2: Thou shall not kill.

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PS: there's really only one article. DUCY?

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What if I steal anyway?
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Old 10-27-2007, 01:38 AM
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18) Attempts by politicians or judges to manipulate the system by circumventing or exploiting laws is also considered treason if convicted by a jury and punishable by death. Treason can occur on the federal, state, or local levels.

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I'm joining the insurgency if this gets ratified.

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There, I fixed it for you.

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Murder based on a group of twelve's p4ersonal definition of "manipulation"? Not for me.

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Old 10-27-2007, 01:42 AM
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18) Attempts by politicians or judges to manipulate the system by circumventing or exploiting laws is also considered treason if convicted by a jury and punishable by death. Treason can occur on the federal, state, or local levels.

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I'm joining the insurgency if this gets ratified.

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There, I fixed it for you.

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Murder based on a group of twelve's p4ersonal definition of "manipulation"? Not for me.

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A fine example of someone who would be executed.
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Old 10-27-2007, 01:43 AM
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*sigh*

Yes, they're constitutional. There are only two possible legal challenges to the constitutionality of SS. One is the reserve clause which was struck down because the constitution allows the federal govt. to tax in the interest of the general public good. The other is that a payroll tax for social spending isn't actually mentioned in the Constitution. This was rejected because the definition of taxes used by the opponents of social security would be so narrow that if the court found in favor of it that it would rule out the ability of the federal government to tax "providing for the general welfare", which is a right given the feds specifically in the constitution.

So the OP is right in that if you want to do away with entitlement programs you need a new constitution.



http://www.socialsecurity.gov/history/court.html

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why did fdr have to change the supreme court (stack court) then to get his programs?
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Old 10-27-2007, 01:46 AM
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A fine example of someone who would be executed.

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Do you think 12 random people in Germany during any time of his reign, would have sent him to death? He was extremely popular.

Who do you think would have brought the charges against someone that popular and politically powerful?
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Old 10-27-2007, 01:46 AM
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d. Broadcast licenses would be granted to anyone who is legitimately operating a business, regardless of content


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This I love.
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e. Cable providers cannot limit access by any network to their cable system. Channels may not be pre-packaged and are a-la-carte. Each cable network sets their subscriber rate and the local cable company uses the same mark-up percentage for each channel.


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Excellent

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f. Individual households have the final say on what channels are purchased and what content gets blocked


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I love it.
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g. Content is unregulated completely.

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This is really good.
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If a bigot has money to burn or can turn a profit peddling his hate, then he has every right to do it. Cable companies, government, satellite companies, etc. have no ability to refuse the content. This is a necessary evil.

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I disagree with this. I agree that the government has no say so, however, if I run a television or radio station, I want total control over what is broadcast. If I want to broadcast bigoted racial scat snuff films, I should be able to, but if I want to tell someone they can't broadcast bigoted racial scat snuff films on my airwaves, I believe I should have that right also.
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