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Old 10-10-2007, 06:02 PM
tubasteve tubasteve is offline
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Default AT - I 3-bet a lagtard and flop TPMK

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $98
MP: $111.70
CO: $132.20
BTN: $117.70
Hero (SB): $97.50
BB: $81

Pre-Flop: A T dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $3.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $13</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $9.50

Flop: ($27) 3 8 A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $20</font>, Hero calls $20

Turn: ($67) K (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $65</font>, Hero calls $64.50 and is All-In




Villain is a bad lagtard, running at like 43/27. The sample size isnt enough to get decent AF but hes been aggro. Does anyone like this line, or should I be folding the turn? I think that against this player once I flop TP, I have no choice but to stack off, but I could be persuaded.

Also, what is optimal preflop? I hate folding and coldcalling, but I also hate building such a big pot with ATo.
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Old 10-10-2007, 06:41 PM
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Default Re: AT - I 3-bet a lagtard and flop TPMK

Against most I fold the turn; I like your PF line.

Against a lagtard, I find a lot of calls. Actually I wouldn't be getting in to this spot by calling the flop against a lagtard unless I wanted to get all in on a non-completing turn. Normally I'd want to do the betting on the turn, but a lagtard can easily press with garbage here.
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Old 10-10-2007, 06:45 PM
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Default Re: AT - I 3-bet a lagtard and flop TPMK

what did u expect to hit 3b this donk with AT??...u have to stack of here...u say hes aggro and u have checked twice...now call
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Old 10-10-2007, 06:47 PM
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Default Re: AT - I 3-bet a lagtard and flop TPMK

I definitely play it like this if I 3-bet preflop. He can go crazy with Kxcc on turn, and if he has AJ+ I think it's a cooler with all the hands in his range.
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Old 10-10-2007, 07:24 PM
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Default Re: AT - I 3-bet a lagtard and flop TPMK

nh
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Old 10-10-2007, 07:26 PM
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Default Re: AT - I 3-bet a lagtard and flop TPMK

Played perfect imo. Leading flop is not bad either..ace high flops tend to trigger alot of bluffshoves from these type of players in my experience.
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Old 10-11-2007, 01:13 PM
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Default Re: AT - I 3-bet a lagtard and flop TPMK

The lighter 3 bets get so much value from the villan folding pf, and with this guy it probably doesn't happen much.

I guess what i'm saying is i'd much rather 3 bet a 25/20 here than a 43/27, does anyone else feel this way?
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Old 10-11-2007, 01:24 PM
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Default Re: AT - I 3-bet a lagtard and flop TPMK

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The lighter 3 bets get so much value from the villan folding pf, and with this guy it probably doesn't happen much.

I guess what i'm saying is i'd much rather 3 bet a 25/20 here than a 43/27, does anyone else feel this way?

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the 3-bet is largely for value in this situation. this guy isnt the same as other players where if i 3-bet him, hes folding everything but AQ+ and pocket pairs.
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Old 10-11-2007, 01:27 PM
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Default Re: AT - I 3-bet a lagtard and flop TPMK

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the 3-bet is largely for value in this situation. this guy isnt the same as other players where if i 3-bet him, hes folding everything but AQ+ and pocket pairs.

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Given his stats and this read, hand is played perfectly imo
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Old 10-11-2007, 01:25 PM
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Default Re: AT - I 3-bet a lagtard and flop TPMK

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The lighter 3 bets get so much value from the villan folding pf, and with this guy it probably doesn't happen much.

I guess what i'm saying is i'd much rather 3 bet a 25/20 here than a 43/27, does anyone else feel this way?

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I see what you are saying. Both people are good to 3 bet vs. but what is more important is their likelyhood that they will call down with any pair. Their calling habits are much more important IMO
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