HU CASH: do i raise this river for value?

[Teph]

Theoretical posts:

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raising on the river is not exactly a great play unless you expect him to call with many worse hands

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If you will only get calls from a fh or a straight and maybe k-j or q-j , then raising the river is pretty bad

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All I said is that if you will only get calls from a fh/straight /and maybe k-j or q-j then raising the river is BAD

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So what you are saying is... IF villain will not call his bet other than with a hand that beats him, he shouldn't bet?

That is a groundbreaking theory you have. post more plz.

Oh and just to reiterate, OP, you played this very bad with given match description, but you must at least push river to gain some sort of approval.

[jay_shark]

Teph go learn to read .

In fact , I was responding to a player who suggested that you should shove because you're so ahead of his range . This is not necessarily true .

Are you refuting this ?

[dpdawson]

Bet flop. Raise turn. Raise river.

Hands that will probably call you on river:

Good - 99, TT, QQ, KK, AA, J9, JT, JQ, JK, and maybe A7s or some weird 2 pair hands
Neutral - AJ
Bad - 33, 77, 88, 9T, J7, J8

Villain probably wouldn't re-raise with Jx when x is lower than 9 or T. Would Villain re-raise with T9 or 33? Either way, I think you are only scared of a few hands that might not even be in Villain's re-raising range and you are getting called by a bunch of hands that are more likely in Villain's re-raising range.

Easy raise for value.

[bozzer]

grunch:

I think we're ahead of a calling range here, but it's thin-ish.

{J9-KJ,33,77,88,overpairs}

the big question marks are how many JX hands are in his 3betting range, and how often does he play an overpair like this (flop checking), and how often will he call a river raise with one?

[dboy23]

in general, if you are being really aggressive, you should also be really aggressive with your monsters IMO. Lest ya become too easily readable.

[KakiTee]

betting flop is better V most opponents, as played river shoving is also good V most opponents at this level.

[soop]

Yeah, bet the flop. I don't see why you wouldn't if you've both been aggressive and taking lots of stabs at pots. He probably isn't folding to one bet after 3betting preflop.

[Teph]

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Teph go learn to read .

In fact , I was responding to a player who suggested that you should shove because you're so ahead of his range . This is not necessarily true .

Are you refuting this ?

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Yes, you are ahead of far ahead of his range and should always raise this river. OP should never have gotten into this situation in the first place unless he was planning on bombing the river.

Please refute, and keep in mind I am one of the crazies that actually understand your theoretical posts regarding hand rankings.

[dpdawson]

Even if he only calls here w/ 77+, 33, J7+, and T9, you are a 57.7/42.3 favorite.

If you take 99 and TT out of his calling range, which is about as tight as it could possibly get IMO, it is 50/50.

You have to raise/push.

[mjws00]

Personally I'd bet the flop. Raise the turn. Raise the river. Especially if we are both playing aggressive with a wide 3bet range. He calls my flop bet extremely often as a cbet. I am pounding this turn like I would with any other strong made hand and a board that is getting wetter.

I try and get it in on the turn as we're really only scared of two hands that are definitely in his 3-bet range. If he rivered the 8 and filled up so be it. It certainly isn't a scare card and all his betting looks like he wants a cheap sd. But let him make a BIG mistake on the turn, he can get away from a river shove easily.

Can't see how you can possibly smooth call and trap and then wimp out on the end. If that is the deal he can blow you off your hand at will.

Mike