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Old 10-09-2007, 04:20 PM
kurto kurto is offline
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Default Re: 50NL 87s Rivered Flush Faces Shove

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I would have preferred 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] - then you can cry about bad beats.... stil I am surprised how many people snap call here. I really think these sorta open shoves are:

Nuts - 90%
Second Nuts - 9%
Bluff - 1%

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I would edit this....
90% of the time its the nuts or a strong hand that villain thinks is the nuts

Villain is NEVER giving hero credit for the backdoor flush. Villain would shove a straight or a set here quite often.
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Old 10-09-2007, 06:04 PM
ICMoney ICMoney is offline
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Default Re: 50NL 87s Rivered Flush Faces Shove

He shoves less than a 1/2 psb.

I'm prob calling a psb here.

Fist pump this.
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Old 10-09-2007, 07:47 PM
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Default Re: 50NL 87s Rivered Flush Faces Shove

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I would have preferred 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] - then you can cry about bad beats.... stil I am surprised how many people snap call here. I really think these sorta open shoves are:

Nuts - 90%
Second Nuts - 9%
Bluff - 1%

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I would edit this....
90% of the time its the nuts or a strong hand that villain thinks is the nuts

Villain is NEVER giving hero credit for the backdoor flush. Villain would shove a straight or a set here quite often.

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This is what I was trying to get at. Based on the way you played the hand, it seems unlikely villain puts you on a made flush. This seems similar to villain pushing AJ on a Q Q 10 4 K board that's been checked down to the river. The straight is nowhere near the nuts, but based on the way you played it, he has no reason to believe his hand isn't good.
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