Caesars AC: Player assaults player and gets to stay

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i had a similar incident at the showboat a couple months ago. this guy started freaking out at the 1/2 limit table, threatening another player, threatening the floor when they showedup, throwing chips (not his) throwing chairs, and they basically did nothing for 20 minutes except saying "sir please calm down". then they called security, who stood around for another fifteen minutes and then finally escorted him out. ridiculous.

[Gonso]

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i had a similar incident at the showboat a couple months ago. this guy started freaking out at the 1/2 limit table, threatening another player, threatening the floor when they showedup, throwing chips (not his) throwing chairs, and they basically did nothing for 20 minutes except saying "sir please calm down". then they called security, who stood around for another fifteen minutes and then finally escorted him out. ridiculous.

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another Harrah's property

[jfk]

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The dealer from the table rotated to us later and told us that the guy who got slammed was in the wrong because he was taunting the other dude and getting in his face...Eventually the guy who got choke slammed is escorted out of the the poker room, but the guy who threw him stays and plays!

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...others at the table stuck up for the choke-slammer because he was getting in the other guy's face, provoking him, being an a**hole... but to me, by letting the other guy stay - without at least a time-out or suspension or something - you send a very clear message to everyone else in the room that violence is tolerated and that you can't count on that poker room being a violence-free zone...

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At the risk of sounding like the neanderthal in this thread, it sounds like the "victim" did deserve it and maybe there is some greater benefit in the occasional demonstration that card rooms aren't always violence free.

If I understand what you've described correctly, the guy who got choked (call him Player A) was in another player's (Player B) face, taunting him. To me, that's the line that shouldn't be crossed. Once the dealer, floor and security allow for that sort of environment at the table, they're telling Player B that he's on his own and has to take care of his own problems.

In my experience, problems like this in cardrooms are created when people like Player A feel that they're in a cocoon and can act in ways that shouldn't be tolerated. In the end, the floor may have done the best thing possible. The instigator got knocked down and thrown out.

I don't have a problem with the way this way handled.

Hopefully it serves as a lesson to all those who think its a good idea to run their mouths while playing live. Plus, if players are leaving their chair to get in another player's face, they have to anticipate that the situation may progress beyond just words.

[bennyblanco]

I agree that the instigating player probably got what was coming to him. He took the risk of getting in someone's face and paid the consequences (getting choke slammed). However, the real failure here is that of management to assure the rest of the patrons that they are doing their best to protect everyone from violent outbursts. Say you're sitting at the table with this guy after the incident. You're now on edge wondering how short his fuse is. What if you hit a two outer against him on the river? He's already shown a propensity towards violence. What if you're the dealer and you muck his hand by mistake? Even if you make the argument that he was justified in his response to the individual who got in his face, he still violated the sanctity (can't believe i'm using that word in relation to gambling) of the poker room as a place where people can play and not worry about violence. He should have to pay the consequences of creating an unsafe atmosphere.