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#21
10-08-2007, 06:26 PM
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Re: good time for a big bluff? NL25
Id definitely lay this down. You say he raises OTB a lot so he could have anything. At the end of the day AK is always a hand that needs to improve to win which it hasnt. The button had a wide raising range so could have a set, 2 pair etc. Id laydown.
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#22
10-08-2007, 06:31 PM
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Re: good time for a big bluff? NL25
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Id definitely lay this down. You say he raises OTB a lot so he could have anything. At the end of the day AK is always a hand that needs to improve to win which it hasnt. The button had a wide raising range so could have a set, 2 pair etc. Id laydown. [/ QUOTE ] well, if i'm really planning on folding here unless i make a hand, then i probably should just call preflop, and if i do 3bet pre, i probably should just c/f the flop. given how unlikely it is that he'll fold on this flop ever, there's no point in betting this flop if i'm planning to give up if he calls. and again i don't like double barreling here at all. agree?
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#23
10-08-2007, 07:28 PM
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Re: good time for a big bluff? NL25
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[ QUOTE ] its never a good time for a big bluff in 25nl. [/ QUOTE ] i think so many people make statements like this based on their experience at NL25 a long time ago. you can be a winner in the current NL25 games on US sites without ever making big bluffs. but your winrate will be very low. the only way to try to get a long term winrate > 4ptbb/100 at NL25 on US sites is to thoroughly outplay all the decent players (and there's not just a few at NL25, there's a lot, and more and more every day). people see these screenshots of 20-30k hands @ 10ptbb/100 and think the NL25 games are cake. but the fact is that almost no one can sustain > 3ptbb/100 for 100k+ (largely due to the rake. and yes, i understand that people move up, but i still maintain that high winrates are very difficult to sustain). [/ QUOTE ] Lol 25NL is the new 2000NL
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#24
10-08-2007, 07:33 PM
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Re: good time for a big bluff? NL25
Also thac and the others are saying sensible things
I'd just add that you seem to be overly scared about him floating you after a bit of history. Your c-bet will still take it down a lot of the time
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#27
10-08-2007, 08:28 PM
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Re: good time for a big bluff? NL25
This hand comes down to reads...Reads on this villain I am very confused about?????? From the OP:
"villain is decent and aggressive. he's been raising OTB a lot, and I've 3 bet a couple times and taken it down". So villain is capable of folding and has done so BUT now he calls...= he has a hand!!!!! Later in the thread OP goes onto to say this villain will make him fire 3 bullets,float often and bluff raise???? Where are these reads coming from with NO history..I can not understand how a villain goes from folding in 3 bet pot to trying to win EVERY one of them and calling down light and bluff raising.. IMO OP is looking far to much into this hand and villain..C-bet the flop and shut down if called..IMO this villain is not playing or attempting to out play OP in the ways you are envisioning..
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#29
10-08-2007, 08:35 PM
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Re: good time for a big bluff? NL25
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Wow. I think you fold a lot of better hands. Like 23o. Maybe. [/ QUOTE ] It's not that we fold a lot of better hands, it's that he doesn't tend to have much of a hand on this board.
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#30
10-08-2007, 08:38 PM
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Re: good time for a big bluff? NL25
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[ QUOTE ] Wow. I think you fold a lot of better hands. Like 23o. Maybe. [/ QUOTE ] It's not that we fold a lot of better hands, it's that he doesn't tend to have much of a hand on this board. [/ QUOTE ] How can you say this????? Villain has folded to ALL of OP's 3 bets prior to this hand and is now not only calling the 3 bet but firing on both the flop and the turn..
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