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Old 10-08-2007, 06:09 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: Easy Fold with Two Pair in 3bet Pot

I'm folding the flop and turn. Don't know about the timing tell, but potting Kx wouldn't be bad.

Edit: Actually the timing tell makes me think his range is weighted towards Kx/draws. Timing tells can be iffy though. I think the 2nd king makes it worse to push the turn with a draw.
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:12 PM
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An insta pot on the K repeat turn is a pretty sexy value line from villain w/ QQ, IMO.

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Since I think most are folding JJ I don't agree.
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:12 PM
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In retrospect, I think I should be calling here. He doesn't have to be bluffing hardly at all to make this a call.

Board: Ks Td 6s Kh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 25.957% 25.96% 00.00% 217 0.00 { JcJh }
Hand 1: 74.043% 74.04% 00.00% 619 0.00 { TT, AKs, AsQs, AsJs, KQs, QJs, JsTs, Ts9s, AKo }

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You need 33% to call.
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:20 PM
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Default Re: Easy Fold with Two Pair in 3bet Pot

ummm.. fold flop?

You have to love the turn. the AK you were already way behind just got less likely. how does it then become an easy fold?

(it was an easy fold on the flop)
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:28 PM
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Default Re: Easy Fold with Two Pair in 3bet Pot

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In retrospect, I think I should be calling here. He doesn't have to be bluffing hardly at all to make this a call.

Board: Ks Td 6s Kh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 25.957% 25.96% 00.00% 217 0.00 { JcJh }
Hand 1: 74.043% 74.04% 00.00% 619 0.00 { TT, AKs, AsQs, AsJs, KQs, QJs, JsTs, Ts9s, AKo }

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You need 33% to call.

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Thanks captain obvious, but this shows that he doesn't have to be bluffing often to make this a call.
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:29 PM
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Default Re: Easy Fold with Two Pair in 3bet Pot

btw, why would anybody fold the flop here?
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:32 PM
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btw, why would anybody fold the flop here?

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Old 10-08-2007, 06:35 PM
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Default Re: Easy Fold with Two Pair in 3bet Pot

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btw, why would anybody fold the flop here?

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there must be more to this guy than 23/19 if you think it's that obvious. Does he c-bet like 100% of the time and then clam up on the turn? In that case, maybe it's a call but you didn't mention that.
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:39 PM
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btw, why would anybody fold the flop here?

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wtf, do you really think he's c/f the hands we beat alot?
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:43 PM
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Default Re: Easy Fold with Two Pair in 3bet Pot

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btw, why would anybody fold the flop here?

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wtf, do you really think he's c/f the hands we beat alot?

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The point is that the flop sucks. It's not like you made a commitment to call this flop when you called preflop.

Edit: It's not that you called preflop because if the flop comes co-ordinated K-high you expect him to c/f. And this flop puts you in bad shape vs AK/TT+ and might put you in a tough spot on the turn.
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