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10-10-2007, 06:03 AM
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Re: Were we better off in a state of nature?
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I'd rather not be eaten by a sabre-toothed tiger. Even if it means I have to live in a 'fiction reality' and have my 'rational adaptive process' destroyed? [/ QUOTE ] Sounds like good judgment to me. 
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10-10-2007, 07:00 PM
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Re: Were we better off in a state of nature?
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If you think we were better off in the "state of nature", a winter or two in Minnesota in a house without central heating or indoor plumbing (or better yet, a teepee) should clarify your thinking. If that doesn't do it bury a couple of your kids who died of something easily curable or preventable by modern medicine. [/ QUOTE ] this sounds like all or nothing fallacy.
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#24
10-10-2007, 07:16 PM
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Re: Were we better off in a state of nature?
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[ QUOTE ] If you think we were better off in the "state of nature", a winter or two in Minnesota in a house without central heating or indoor plumbing (or better yet, a teepee) should clarify your thinking. If that doesn't do it bury a couple of your kids who died of something easily curable or preventable by modern medicine. [/ QUOTE ] this sounds like all or nothing fallacy. [/ QUOTE ] So does the thread title? I'm not sure what your point is. Is he asking if we live in the best possible utopian world? The answer is no.
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#25
10-10-2007, 07:31 PM
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So does the thread title? I'm not sure what your point is. Is he asking if we live in the best possible utopian world? The answer is no. [/ QUOTE ] just seems like comparing amish to living in a teepee in alaska is a bit extreme.
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#26
10-10-2007, 08:01 PM
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Re: Were we better off in a state of nature?
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[ QUOTE ] So does the thread title? I'm not sure what your point is. Is he asking if we live in the best possible utopian world? The answer is no. [/ QUOTE ] just seems like comparing amish to living in a teepee in alaska is a bit extreme. [/ QUOTE ] Right but isn't that what the OP was asking? What does a "state of nature" entail? Certainly not the Amish. Obviously there is a continuum between here and there, but if all he is asking is "Are there any changes we can make to make the world better?".....ya know?
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#27
10-10-2007, 08:16 PM
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Re: Were we better off in a state of nature?
"state of nature" is a vague term. is building a house exiting a "state of nature"? if so, what about a teepee? if not, what if you add a fireplace and raise chickens? were early agricultural collectives in a "state of nature" or only nomadic or "barbarian" groups? and so on...
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#28
10-10-2007, 08:42 PM
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Re: Were we better off in a state of nature?
I'm sure someone has said it, but if you want to return to a state of nature, you better be prepared to go genocide to the tune of 6 billion or some folk.
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