umm?

[Kirkrrr]

I'd just call and lead turn for half-pot, obviously insta-calling a shove.

Kirk

[BalugaWhale]

4betting is gross imo

i think id call and c/f the turn

[philipsaurus]

meh, i hate donking turn. if he's bluffing now, that will shut him down completely. i prob call, looking to crai most turns.

[Lefort]

Villain bet 30% pot, then 3bet a CR.. this seems like its almost never a bluff, and almost never a flush draw. If he bet the flop that small with a flush draw it doesn't make sense for him to have the mentality of "get a little in on the flop, maybe he'll fold.." and go to "alright got a draw, 3bet this bitch.."

I really think 90% of his range is simply just the other J (8-A kicker..?), a boat, and high PPs. So I like calling and leading the turn in case he wants to check behind the PPs. But to be honest I don't think its a hugely +EV situation at all..

[BalugaWhale]

can i just ask why people are so set on c/r the turn as opposed to c/f?

it seems like he never bets a worse hand on the turn after the flop action?

[rand]

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Villain bet 30% pot, then 3bet a CR.. this seems like its almost never a bluff, and almost never a flush draw. If he bet the flop that small with a flush draw it doesn't make sense for him to have the mentality of "get a little in on the flop, maybe he'll fold.." and go to "alright got a draw, 3bet this bitch.."

I really think 90% of his range is simply just the other J (8-A kicker..?), a boat, and high PPs. So I like calling and leading the turn in case he wants to check behind the PPs. But to be honest I don't think its a hugely +EV situation at all..

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i think this is right on...

[nuggetz87]

4bet is sick...call and lead turn.

[berserk]

I think i agree with balugawhale, assuming you have no reason to think hes retarded

[Praetor]

bet sizing makes me think villain is retarded