WCOOP AKo 3-bet utg and get pushed back, your play? - Page 3

NYWalker · #21 10-01-2007, 07:19 PM

If he has AA, why not he just flat calls and waits for me to shove the flop? Obviously I'm committed on the flop.

g-p · #22 10-01-2007, 07:22 PM

because he plays bad, who cares

this hand is easier than you are making it out to be

djk123 · #23 10-01-2007, 07:53 PM

gimme your cards ill call for you

Kala1928 · #24 10-01-2007, 07:58 PM

gimme that one ace you have ill call for you

Bonified · #25 10-02-2007, 07:08 AM

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Due to stacksize, pf calling and pf shoving are both bad.

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I don't agree. I think pf shove is OK with AK if the pot is greater than 20% of your remaining stack. And calling pre-flop is much better than what you did.

I was flicking through the HH on PXF before reading this thread and my reaction on seeing the 3-bet/fold was WTF ? There's just no way you can pass here, it's not even debateable IMO.

Edit : I also don't think the Pham hand is in any way relevant. He's got to worry about playing AK all-in 3-handed which is extremely unlikely here.

registrar · #26 10-02-2007, 07:19 AM

What's our calling range in #697?

Oh, and FWIW, I think Indigoae had a much tougher decision in #703. I'd been sweating you for a while and when you made the small raise, I put you on KK+ eactly.

As for the hand in question, you have an unorthodox style, with a great premium on hand-reading, but there is simply no way to justify a three-bet fold here against this guy, with these stacks, in that spot. The way he played AK previously is irrelevant. THat was agaisnt a nit UTG raiser from BB. He's reshoving TT+, AK here always and possibly wider. Players like Sandler are why.

mlagoo · #27 10-02-2007, 10:27 AM

in this hand i think your chip outlay is out of proportion to a reasonable expectation

The B · #28 10-02-2007, 01:37 PM

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With 30bb you should have flat called the initial raise not 3bet/call.

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djk123 · #29 10-02-2007, 02:12 PM

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With 30bb you should not have flat called the initial raise not not 3bet/call.

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NYWalker · #30 10-02-2007, 02:17 PM

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I don't agree. I think pf shove is OK with AK if the pot is greater than 20% of your remaining stack.

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Actually shove, 3-bet is close. If I have 20-25BB when starting the hand, I shove.

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And calling pre-flop is much better than what you did.

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... 30BB post flop? (I'm still thinking about it)

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I was flicking through the HH on PXF before reading this thread and my reaction on seeing the 3-bet/fold was WTF ? There's just no way you can pass here, it's not even debateable IMO.

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Yes, half of my brain thinks the same WTF.
AK 30BB is perfect for 3-bet with 10BB and call a shove with 20BB. There is NO execuse to pass this from math point of view.

Why I fold???
When I 3-bet, I really trust villain can fold JJ or worse. I believe he's good enough to know I'm not folding to a shove. Therefore, when he comes along, I have to put him on AKs/QQ/KK/AA.

Next time, ..... [censored] .... I probably call and see KK.