JTs in the SB

[Smurph64]

The tough part of course is what they are saying here, is that the straight is not good against two quite a bit of the time because of the 4 broadway.

Now that means what 7 cards do I bet with? If you range it 6 then it pulls that decision out of the box.

I think that is the logic here, essentially removing the condition where a difficult decision has to be made on the river that augments the slim call on the turn.

Technically I think we are right with 7 but I get the point of contention here with the analysis.

[Landonfan]

What do mean "against two"? Utg+1 folded the turn, it's hu when it's back to us.

[Smurph64]

ship I don't remember I was responding to buzz's comments about 2 others in pot.

yes you are right there is only one. So is the 6 correct or is it 7

I not trying to be a dick here I really have no clue how 6 was determined to be the outs available.

I have to think 7 is a call.

Maybe that is wrong too because we can't make up the bet in implied here often enough to warrant it.

Bloody hell is all I can say.

[Landonfan]

miles said six. I say around seven, but I think both are a fold.

[Smurph64]

why is 7 a fold?

[Landonfan]

Your chart says it's a fold.

[Smurph64]

implied odds however count for something. If you are saying he folds to a donk here then yeah the call was incorrect.

If you have a read on him where he calls a check/raise then 7 outs is positive.

I think its nit action problems here however. Just trying to figure out people's logic.

Fold is correct irregardless.

[Buzz-cp]

implied odds are not good here because when our hand improves to 2-pair or trips, we are not certain if it is best. If we improve to a straight, the board is pretty scary, so we are probably making 1 bet at best.