Hero river call: Is the ace high or am I?

[Redgrape]

lol

[straate]

i think theres easier ways to take this donks money

also i think a lot of 'bluffs' beat you on this board...it's not even paired -_-

[obiedman]

title rules, hand sucks

[Nick Royale]

Raise more on the flop (if you want to raise). Take a freecard on the turn. Fold the river, even a bluff can eaily be ahead of you here.

[13_Xerxes]

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River: ($396) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $1690.65 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $405 (All-In).

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I have loled [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

always good here

[Boquense]

Many solid points, but I don't think many bluffs are ahead of me here, and I disagree with whoever said donks take this line because they don't know how to extract value out of made hands.

I'd challenge you to find even one hh where a fish donk/called the flop, called the turn, and open shoved the river with a made hand.

I also don't get the "wait for a better spot" comments. This isn't super deep, it's not a tournament, I can rebuy, and I can still take the "better spot". It's either +EV or it's not. Am I misunderstanding something in regards to this?

[Redgrape]

I agree. Wait for a better spot isnt logic used in cash games so please MTT donks go back to your forum.

[Nick Royale]

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Many solid points, but I don't think many bluffs are ahead of me here

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You're wrong. Kd, Td and 7d are already dead obv. You're behind Jxdd, 5xdd, 6xdd, 98dd, AQdd, 43dd. QTdd and T9dd will probably 3-bet the flop having huuuuge draws, maybe also Q9dd. So you're hoping he has a fd: A9/A8/A4/A3/A2? There's really not many more FDs possible. Or otherwise QTo, which I agree isn't impossible. Well maybe he turned a PP or 7x to a bluff? You're behind that too.

Point being the times you're behind his bluff will severely hurt the ev of the call, esp since there's not many combos busted draws you're ahead of.

[straate]

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I agree. Wait for a better spot isnt logic used in cash games so please MTT donks go back to your forum.

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well thanks for the compliment, i often do think about stopping posting here, maybe i will. and as for this logic, im only saying why take an insanely -ev situation like this where you will find MANY HUGELY +ev spots in the future.

also i dont think you have much fold equity by your turn bet unless you are directly putting him on a draw because of his timing tells, and obviously then you would need to call river