5/10.. Weird spot in the blinds..

[rand]

good post hand...
I thnk it comes down to what you see him doing on the flop.. I agree eighths PF range that jloc gave of jj+ and AK, AQ sometimes, I think TT might be nthere too some

Plz forgive/ignore all the typeos I'm pretty fuckd rightnow and on my cell phone...
But anyway, while that is a starting point its no that important

I thnk that a good way to figure out what you should have done is to look at why you are now uncertain about what to do...I geuss by deffinition this comes down town uncertainty about villains range... Does he call a flop 3 bet with JJ+ ? And if so does he turnhands that you are ahead of into bluffs?? These are really the two relevant questions....

I think once you consider these you will ralize that your li e is good up until the river and that a river shove is much more+ EV than a check... His range post flop is all of his preflop hold he that include an A and sometimes his big PPs like KK (we obvi dont know the frequency)

And so, assuming he calls all As (bc he thinks he a ahead) and sometimes calls his PPs for the same reason it comes down to (as far as your first river decision, of bet or check is concerned) how often he turns those big PPs into bluffs and how often he checks behind on the turn with a hand ahead of AQ and

I tuink that everyone except the very best players call with worse here more often than they bluff with worse

This logic, prima facia, seems to indicate that the best river line is then C/F, but I think that is wrong because I think that (bc of the relative frequencies) that at this point the value u gain by C/Fing is less than the value u would get by shoving the river...

So basically...I think once you check folding is > calling but I dont think you should get to this point bc betting (shoving) is > than Cing assuming my assumptions about his post flop range are correct...)

[Lefort]

Let's give HERO T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] now.. CB on the flop gets called... do you shutdown completely after? Consider firing turn? Furthermore, consider pushing river if turn goes check, check?

[aislephive]

I agree that betting the river is way better than checking. I also think the river is a very easy call as played.

[berserk]

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it really seems like he's turning JJ-99 into a bluff.

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lol, people keep saying this [censored], but no one turns medium made hands with SD value into bluffs here. mainly because its extremely stupid.

[cowpig]

i really don't understand checking river if you're planning to fold to a shove

[Bullitos]

How are you ever ahead in this spot?

His preflop overcall looks like TT+,AK and maybe AQs, that's probably what a standard TAG would overcall in this spot, TT would be a bit loose though.

He would never push TT-KK on this river since he has nice showdown value. So that basically leaves AQ/AK/AA, if this really is his range you can never call this river.

What does everybody who's voting for a call thinks what his preflop range is?

Plus, if he was floating PF with some sort of crappy hand, I highly doubt he would call this Axx flop to continue his float since this flop is very likely to hit your range. Therefore I think he is almost never ever bluffing on this river.

[Lefort]

lol this is great... like literally every post is flip-flopping from the last.. and they're all logical! ...sorta

[jj12]

v easy fold. wtf

[KvGalen]

I think :
Shove>Check/fold>>>Check/call vs most opponents

[Bullitos]

Did I misread the hand?

Hero pushes this river and gets called by ???? AJ??