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#21
09-21-2007, 09:19 PM
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Re: Big Chip Rule in Cash Games?
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This is the easiest rule in the book. One oversized chip with no words = call. [/ QUOTE ] It really is one of the easiest rules. I think people are getting hung up on what their "intent" was. Yes, it might be obvious that he wanted to raise, but that doesn't change the ruling. 
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#22
09-22-2007, 01:48 AM
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Re: Big Chip Rule in Cash Games?
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[ QUOTE ] This is the easiest rule in the book. One oversized chip with no words = call. [/ QUOTE ] It really is one of the easiest rules. I think people are getting hung up on what their "intent" was. Yes, it might be obvious that he wanted to raise, but that doesn't change the ruling. [/ QUOTE ] Correct "intent" doesn't exist here because intent is no where near clear. And example of clear intent is: In a tournament a guy grabs all of his chips and puts them in the pot, clearly going all in, alas, a $25 chip is left capping his cards. He's all in, that's intent as it's 100% clear he was going all in and just forgot the one chip on his cards.
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#23
09-22-2007, 07:37 AM
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Re: Big Chip Rule in Cash Games?
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In a tournament a guy grabs all of his chips and puts them in the pot, clearly going all in, alas, a $25 chip is left capping his cards. He's all in, that's intent as it's 100% clear he was going all in and just forgot the one chip on his cards. [/ QUOTE ] Not always ... ever heard of Jack Strauss?
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#24
09-22-2007, 08:39 AM
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Re: Big Chip Rule in Cash Games?
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[ QUOTE ] In a tournament a guy grabs all of his chips and puts them in the pot, clearly going all in, alas, a $25 chip is left capping his cards. He's all in, that's intent as it's 100% clear he was going all in and just forgot the one chip on his cards. [/ QUOTE ] Not always ... ever heard of Jack Strauss? [/ QUOTE ] From what I have heard form people that were there is he hid the chip under his napkin so he wouldn't be eliminated if he lost.
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#25
09-22-2007, 09:38 AM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The first one is definitely a call, assuming he didn't say raise. No question. [/ QUOTE ] What if he said nothing & slid out a stack of redbirds ($100)? Call or raise? [/ QUOTE ] Then it's a raise to 100. This is a totally different situation than the big chip rule. [/ QUOTE ] Brad, I don't understand how you don't get it. Here's a snippet from Bob Ciaffone's rules of Poker Dealing: [ QUOTE ] 15. If you put a single chip in the pot that is larger than the bet , but do not announce a raise , you are assumed to have only called. Example: In a $3-$6 game, when a player bets $6 and the next player puts a $25 chip in the pot without saying anything, that player has merely called the $6 bet . [/ QUOTE ] The rule is the rule, there is no argument here. That being said, it's not left to interpretation period. If you dont' declare you actions when it could be construed differently by different people, you are bound to the minimum action, in this case call. And to reiterate what punkass wrote, If you "slid a stack of reds" like you say above, then I think everyone would know that's a raise and it will be treated as such. [/ QUOTE ] We are talking about a no limit game, not limit.
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#26
09-22-2007, 09:55 AM
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How about you stop angle shooting and let people act according to their intent? It's very clear in both cases what the intent is. [/ QUOTE ] QFMFT. And if you don't know the intent, ask. There was no action after the $25 chip. Clarification is possible. It's stuff like this that brings in our robot overlords.
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#27
09-22-2007, 09:55 AM
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Re: Big Chip Rule in Cash Games?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] In a tournament a guy grabs all of his chips and puts them in the pot, clearly going all in, alas, a $25 chip is left capping his cards. He's all in, that's intent as it's 100% clear he was going all in and just forgot the one chip on his cards. [/ QUOTE ] Not always ... ever heard of Jack Strauss? [/ QUOTE ] From what I have heard form people that were there is he hid the chip under his napkin so he wouldn't be eliminated if he lost. [/ QUOTE ] The story I've always heard was that a chip was mistakenly hidden under/stuck under the rail. Of course, a second-hand accounting (from you in particular) holds more weight with me than standard lore. Point being for this thread, he wasn't forced to surrender the lone chip even though his apparent 'intent' was to go all in.
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#28
09-22-2007, 10:04 AM
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Re: Big Chip Rule in Cash Games?
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[ QUOTE ] How about you stop angle shooting and let people act according to their intent? It's very clear in both cases what the intent is. [/ QUOTE ] QFMFT. And if you don't know the intent, ask. There was no action after the $25 chip. Clarification is possible. It's stuff like this that brings in our robot overlords. [/ QUOTE ] The only angle is tossing a single oversized chip without verbalizing action and then trying to make it a raise. It's not like there isn't a clear rule regarding a single oversized chip situation, and there is no clause that leaves room for intent to override. The game should be played by the rules - otherwise there isn't a point in having them. Ignorance of the rule should be cured the first time it comes up, and most if not all players have made the single oversized chip "I meant to raise" mistake as a rookie. Good players make it only once. Bad players and angle shooters make it more than once.
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#29
09-22-2007, 01:29 PM
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We are talking about a no limit game, not limit. [/ QUOTE ] Stop trolling. Where in my example does it say limit holdem? There are 3/6 NL games out there as well. Seriously. stop trolling. You have no argument, you have 20+ replies telling you the correct answer and you don't want to accept it. Move on son.
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#30
09-22-2007, 03:21 PM
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Re: Big Chip Rule in Cash Games?
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[ QUOTE ] We are talking about a no limit game, not limit. [/ QUOTE ] Stop trolling. Where in my example does it say limit holdem? There are 3/6 NL games out there as well. Seriously. stop trolling. You have no argument, you have 20+ replies telling you the correct answer and you don't want to accept it. Move on son. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not trolling anything. Going back & looking at it again, I guess your example doesn't say limit, sorry. I just scanned over it quickly. Different rooms have different rules, don't they. I'm not your son either [censored] sucker.
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