tough turn spot w/ straight - Page 3

bubaloo · #21 09-20-2007, 02:48 PM

wow he checked, a flush seems out of the question now, also surely he would fire JT again on the river. his line is starting to look a lot like 77 to me. push it to the limit.

As armas · #22 09-20-2007, 03:01 PM

I was first thinking fold but dragon has a good point. What do he put you on? Def not your straight. A naked big spade or a PP with a spade that has outs vs him. I mean a big reason for you raisin sc's is for deception value just like this...

shpanko · #23 09-20-2007, 03:06 PM

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Also, the pf debate is pretty funny. Just because opening 56s for one person, under one set of circumstances in ep is -ev, does not mean that the same is true for another person or another set of variables. The same is true wrt open raising with virtually any two cards and I really wish that these types of debates would stop clogging threads that have little or nothing to do with pf.

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I don't really see what you are trying to get at here. How does this have nothing to do with pf?

This 'debate' came up because I simply said that I don't agree with raising 56s UTG with no TI. This is basic pf strategy that can often be a huge leak (like it was for myself).

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This pfr is as standard as they get in a 6-handed game. Once it's 5-handed well there really is no question. Not that you have to raise it, it depends on style, but this is a very standard raise UTG for me unless I happen to have a maniac image at the time in which case I might pitch it.

To say it's a leak though is just wrong.

Nielsio · #24 09-20-2007, 03:08 PM

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Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $198.00
BB: $200.00
Hero (UTG): $199.00
CO: $45.29
BTN: $203.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
Hero raises to $8.00, 3 folds, BB calls $6.00

Flop: ($19) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $15.00, BB calls $15.00

Turn: ($49) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB bets $50.00, Hero calls $50.00

River: ($149) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks,

Easy shove(about 125 left)?

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$99.

Nielsio · #25 09-20-2007, 03:09 PM

You could also bet like $55 to get a call from a pair + a big spade.

But I think a straight valuebet is better here.

2Paul2 · #26 09-20-2007, 05:09 PM

I shoved an he snap folded.

As8 or something I guess.

tannenj · #27 09-20-2007, 05:27 PM

i'd call turn, fold river.

river is a shove, yeah.

QuadLaser · #28 09-20-2007, 05:41 PM

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i'd call turn, fold river.

river is a shove, yeah.

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I disagree w/ shoving river. The river blanked and he checked if he bet AsX on the turn, he isn't calling. Only a set calls here. He might have a baby flush or JT. I really think that the % of time we get looked up and win is < 50%, and I don't think we fold any hand that beats us when they are a getting 2-1.

tannenj · #29 09-20-2007, 05:44 PM

shoving is thin, but pretty sure it's +ev. two pair will call, and i think we're beat very rarely.

QuadLaser · #30 09-20-2007, 05:49 PM

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shoving is thin, but pretty sure it's +ev. two pair will call, and i think we're beat very rarely.

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If I had JT or a baby flush on the river, I would check/call to induce bluffs from AsX that missed... you really think 2pr will call a shove at this level?