i has a bottom set, board started bad and got worse - 140 deep

[keikiwai]

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I'm thinking I'm a seagull. But I'd rather be a rock than one of you guys paying this push off.

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drink some coffee

[yad]

he has 67 or an overpair here a lot.

villains like this don't typically c/minraise flush draws on the flop. They like to do this with what they consider to be good made hands.

Of course sometimes you're oversetted, and rarely a guy like this will indeed have the flush. But getting these odds you've definitely got to call.

Nick: I put this guy on 67/A7/88+, in addition to the stuff that beats you.

[Nick Royale]

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I'm thinking I'm a seagull. But I'd rather be a rock than one of you guys paying this push off.

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drink some coffee

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I need to go to bed. I think I need about 3.2 litres of water though.

[Nick Royale]

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Nick: I put this guy on 67/A7/88+, in addition to the stuff that beats you.

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Ok, ime a passive guy like this doesn't push a made hand worse than TP into you when not having the initiative (maybe not even then). And I also think almost any kind of player like to min-raise their draws on the flop (from any position anytime, anywhere).

I think this line is a flush a huge ammount. 77/66/QQ relatively frequently. 76s not often, but sometimes. Somekind of 88-JJ not ever.

[terp]

nick, i'm never worried about a higher set here. this guy didn't flatcall the 3b to shove a flushing turn. unfortunately this also rules out overplayed two pair...

but eh, i call

[Bulletproof Monk]

general strategy post:

if we are planning to fold to a turn shove on a scarecard turn, isnt our flopraise about the most perfectly wrong size?

[Nick Royale]

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nick, i'm never worried about a higher set here. this guy didn't flatcall the 3b to shove a flushing turn. unfortunately this also rules out overplayed two pair...

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I basically agree with this. Sometimes he'll slowplay 77/66/76s on he flop and think "oh crap" on the turn, like I do everytime I try to slowplay anything on the flop, but push the turn anyway. He's more likely to push 77/66 on the turn though, because these still have a relatively high value vs our range. He's not likely at all to push 88-JJ because they're junk.

Edit: Also consider my af is 4 rather than 0.8.

[yad]

Nick,
this all comes down to experience with what we view as "this kind of player," but in my experience anyway this is very often an overpair, which a guy like this generally views as the nuts.

[NoahSD]

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general strategy post:

if we are planning to fold to a turn shove on a scarecard turn, isnt our flopraise about the most perfectly wrong size?

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No. God, no. A scare card doesn't fall every time and he doesn't shove it nearly every time.

[keikiwai]

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general strategy post:

if we are planning to fold to a turn shove on a scarecard turn, isnt our flopraise about the most perfectly wrong size?

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please give suggestions for what to do on flop.... and then this turn

from op:

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comments appreciated on flop options

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