NL 50 KK line check

[justscott]

No villain stats or did i miss them?

[Teddie]

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I honestly don't know whether I call villains shove, I'd very much prefer having the K of diamonds here.
You have to call 21.25 to win a 67$ pot, and though you might be good here one time in three, I think I muck here.
Reasons: a made flush is def in his range here, everything from AKs to ATs or KQs and KJs. Problem is, versus a lot of the other hands in his range you're also behind, like every made set here and against something like AdTx you're only a 2% fav:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.475% 47.47% 00.00% 470 0.00 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 52.525% 52.53% 00.00% 520 0.00 { AdTs }

So, folding would be my option here.

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Not that I am agreeing or disagreeing, but if you want to fold then you shouldn't raise.

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why not? When someone donks the flop for that little it looks like a blocking bet, but the raise all-in is a tough spot.

I'd hate to just flat call his small bet and give him odds to hit a 4th diamond, but i also dont know if i'd like to stack off here. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Landlord79]

Good analysis all. That's a sick flop for KK, but I'd probably flat call and reeval too.

[threads13]

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I honestly don't know whether I call villains shove, I'd very much prefer having the K of diamonds here.
You have to call 21.25 to win a 67$ pot, and though you might be good here one time in three, I think I muck here.
Reasons: a made flush is def in his range here, everything from AKs to ATs or KQs and KJs. Problem is, versus a lot of the other hands in his range you're also behind, like every made set here and against something like AdTx you're only a 2% fav:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.475% 47.47% 00.00% 470 0.00 { KcKh }
Hand 1: 52.525% 52.53% 00.00% 520 0.00 { AdTs }

So, folding would be my option here.

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Not that I am agreeing or disagreeing, but if you want to fold then you shouldn't raise.

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why not? When someone donks the flop for that little it looks like a blocking bet, but the raise all-in is a tough spot.

I'd hate to just flat call his small bet and give him odds to hit a 4th diamond, but i also dont know if i'd like to stack off here. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Well, that is what is tough about this hand in this spot. You didn't hit your target SPR, imo.

If he is putting out a blocking bet then you should theoretically raise as you have the best hand. The problem is that I think choosing whether or not you should get AI is a much bigger issue. If you have a read that he will blocking bet or b/3-bet with a draw then raise him and expect to have the best of it. Otherwise I don't see a reason to raise and then fold.

[CazicT]

A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] X - has 12 outs twice = 1.2:1 against.

So if he has the hand we are praying for, then we are 54% to win. If he doesn't, we are dead to miracle runners if he has made flush, and almost dead if he has a set.

Of course there is SOME chance he has something different that we may be more of a favorite over, but it would be pretty rare.

I'm thinking despite decent pot odds, we can fold to the shove against a sane player. Against a tight player who would rarely so the semi-bluff all-in thing, a fold is cleary best...

[threads13]

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A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] X - has 12 outs twice = 1.2:1 against.

So if he has the hand we are praying for, then we are 54% to win. If he doesn't, we are dead to miracle runners if he has made flush, and almost dead if he has a set.

Of course there is SOME chance he has something different that we may be more of a favorite over, but it would be pretty rare.

I'm thinking despite decent pot odds, we can fold to the shove against a sane player. Against a tight player who would rarely so the semi-bluff all-in thing, a fold is cleary best...

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I agree... I still say why raise though... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]