50 NL AK pre against aggressive stealer 5 bet shove?

[onesandzeros]

your exactly correct.

[aaiiooo]

Hey champstark, I think I was UTG on this table at the time.

I remember this hand because I thought it was fairly spewy on the part of a regular (ie. you :]) no offence

I have villain as 20/14/2 over about 250 hands but really very straightforward, not particularly imaginative, quite passive compared to many of the regular tags at 50nl. You had 3 bet him twice before, but my read on him was that he wasnt someone who would 4 bet without a monster, especially that small.

I think you're thinking 2 levels ahead here. Solid 50nl multitabler= he's thinking on level 1, you're on level 3 when with this guy you should be on level 2.

I'd fold AKo here btw

[netstorm]

If JJ is in his range your equity looks like this:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

554,786,496 games 0.040 secs 13,869,662,400 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.785% 23.66% 16.13% 131241660 89482674.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 60.215% 44.09% 16.13% 244579488 89482674.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }


if he only does this with QQ+, AK, then it looks like this.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

431,500,608 games 0.005 secs 86,300,121,600 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.824% 18.14% 20.68% 78295380 89232168.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 61.176% 40.50% 20.68% 174740892 89232168.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

if we narrow his range down to QQ+, AKs, then it looks like this:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

287,667,072 games 0.005 secs 57,533,414,400 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.237% 26.44% 06.80% 76053324 19557456.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 66.763% 59.96% 06.80% 172498836 19557456.00 { QQ+, AKs }


Add in that he might even have air here (perhaps only 5% of the time) and this is an easy shove, considering your history.

[starkwired]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey champstark, I think I was UTG on this table at the time.

I remember this hand because I thought it was fairly spewy on the part of a regular (ie. you :]) no offence

I have villain as 20/14/2 over about 250 hands but really very straightforward, not particularly imaginative, quite passive compared to many of the regular tags at 50nl. You had 3 bet him twice before, but my read on him was that he wasnt someone who would 4 bet without a monster, especially that small.

I think you're thinking 2 levels ahead here. Solid 50nl multitabler= he's thinking on level 1, you're on level 3 when with this guy you should be on level 2.

I'd fold AKo here btw

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey, I'll be the first to admit I have a good spew every now and then (trying to stop though!). Thanks for the info about the guy since I see him a lot.

[butcha]

This thread is so confusing.

Shouldn't this be the easiest fold ever?
You have only invested $6 and you obviously can't call this OOP, so why push in 100bb against someone, you don't have pinned as a maniac, 4-betting you at NL50?

There will surely be better spots if he is 4-betting here with something that doesn't totally crush you.
And also, don't take for granted that he catches on to you and starts making moves himself.
That's usually a recipe for disaster at these stakes.

Those who say this is an easy push might want to explain themselves further. At least to me.