i have to shove this river - right? - Page 3

djj6835 · #21 08-25-2007, 10:17 AM

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Give villain a betting range bro, and then give villain a calling range. If you can give him a range worth raising against to i'd love to hear it.

I'm still calling but what i'm saying is i'm folding here before i'm raising.

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When the pot is this big, villain's betting range = his calling range.

HoldEmNewby · #22 08-25-2007, 10:19 AM

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Give villain a betting range bro, and then give villain a calling range. If you can give him a range worth raising against to i'd love to hear it.

I'm still calling but what i'm saying is i'm folding here before i'm raising.

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When the pot is this big, villain's betting range = his calling range.

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I ain't letting no Pooh Bah get away with a one line response. Penny for your thoughts, I need an elaboration on this concept.

HoldEmNewby · #23 08-25-2007, 10:19 AM

What K's are in villains range?

bubaloo · #24 08-25-2007, 10:21 AM

dont think this is AK, i can see him donking/ c/r'ing turn.

cant see this being any other hand than KQ/JT, i just call to be safe.

djj6835 · #25 08-25-2007, 10:22 AM

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Give villain a betting range bro, and then give villain a calling range. If you can give him a range worth raising against to i'd love to hear it.

I'm still calling but what i'm saying is i'm folding here before i'm raising.

[/ QUOTE ] When the pot is this big, villain's betting range = his calling range.

[/ QUOTE ] I ain't letting no Pooh Bah get away with a one line response. Penny for your thoughts, I need an elaboration on this concept.

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Maybe I'm misreading your post but it sounds like you feel villain is bet folding this river with a portion of his range. I was just saying when the pot is this huge, I don't think villain is betting without intending to call a shove.

djj6835 · #26 08-25-2007, 10:23 AM

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I What K's are in villains range?

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KJ and KT are definitely in his range.

HoldEmNewby · #27 08-25-2007, 10:25 AM

Its only $115 more for villain to call, i didn't think he was folding. What i meant is that when villain donks we're not very good against his range. We push we're getting a call 90% of the time but what is his range? I don't think we fair good enough against it to warrant a push.

HoldEmNewby · #28 08-25-2007, 10:28 AM

KJ and KT are far less likely in his range than KQ or AK. He'll fold KJ or KT often preflop and occassionally on the turn.

djj6835 · #29 08-25-2007, 10:29 AM

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Its only $115 more for villain to call, i didn't think he was folding. What i meant is that when villain donks we're not very good against his range. We push we're getting a call 90% of the time but what is his range? I don't think we fair good enough against it to warrant a push.

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I think his range is something like KQ,KJ,KT,JT, and sometimes hands like AJ and AT. We beat all of those but one .

Shizzle12345 · #30 08-25-2007, 10:30 AM

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KJ and KT are far less likely in his range than KQ or AK. He'll fold KJ or KT often preflop and occassionally on the turn.

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A guy with 27% VPIP and a low PFR doesnt fold KJ or KT preflop in this spot. And we cant really say much about his AF untill Op gives up sample. I think iv lost way too many pots by getting of on that AF number.