Building a Bankroll For Newbies, Version 2.0 (rather long)

[Sqwrlking]

Two questions: According to BW, you need to play 1/2 limit at Bet365 to get the 100$ reload bonus. Is this correct? And, about casino-bonus-whoring, anyone care to write a few lines on what games they play and how they do it?

[Keepitsimple]

Its extremely boring. When I did it I played black jack and just followed the chart from wizardofodds.com.

[MrWookie]

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Two questions: According to BW, you need to play 1/2 limit at Bet365 to get the 100$ reload bonus. Is this correct?

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Yes, that is correct. Sorry, I wasn't reading their site closely enough. I'll edit the guide to reflect this. The regular deposit bonus is still solid, even if you're not earning both at the same time.

[POKhER]

Its as simple as this, and yes i know its hard to believe.

Theres numerous charts on wizardofodds.com but you must pick the correct one. Rule variations mean you must play hands slightly different.

E.g. Dealer may stand or hit on a soft 17, this slightly changes the +EV of the game(I.e. you win or lose less over the hands you play).

Anyhow all this work is done for you when you use the charts(he calcualted all the scenarios and presented the best +EV decisions).

So you deposit at a site(VCCASINO.COM for example £100 deposit, £100 bonus(£800 wagering 400before/After claiming) with an additional £50 bonus MONTHLY(£200 wager).

You open SINGLE PLAYER BLACKJACK (YOu vs dealer). You click the table after selecting £1 chip and it place that as a "bet".

You click deal, You get two cards and the dealer gets two(one facing up). You look at your hand using the chart(Down the left), Look across to the dealers card at the top... You land on a square.

it says either "P" "S" "H" or something "Ds" and one or two others. You look at the key and if it says "S" for STAND.

You then click STAND.

The dealer turns his card... and if he buts you win, if he beats your number i.e. you hold 18 aand he gets 20 he wins. You then lose your £1.

if he busts though, you win a £1 and get your £1 back!

If you get black jack(ACE+J/Q/K/T) you win 3:2 i believe. Depending on the game type.

Thats all.. you just click buttons and look at a chart.

There are different bonuses where different methods come into play but ive only RECOMMEND the cash bonuses that are EASILY CLEARED.

Hence it amuses me when clueless people say its "Not worth doing" ec.

[slamhound]

People can figure all of this out for themselves with a little research if they truly have an interest. Don't spoonfeed it to them. And don't post bonuses here, thanks.

[MrWookie]

In case you hadn't noticed, the whole post is filled with bonuses. There are no regulations against that. The rules we have are against posting affiliate advertisments, which this is not. Please don't chide good posters who aren't breaking any rules.

[slamhound]

Sorry, but I have seen way too many cashable BJ/casino bonuses and the like be ruined because of posts like this. Poker bonuses aren't in any way similar. Additionally, I informed the poster about this particular bonus through IMs.

[Ignignokt]

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And, about casino-bonus-whoring, anyone care to write a few lines on what games they play and how they do it?

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The Internet Bonuses forum is where you'll find a wealth of information on this.

[Nomad84]

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Would take about a week for casino whoring + 3poker bonuses. leaving the newbie with $700... Wow.
POKhER.

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I disagree. With many casinos, it takes more than a week just for the cashout to hit neteller. My worst yet was almost a month for the Classic/Kingdom/Cooks trio. A month of emails and Casinomeister's assistance, but I did get my deposits + ~$500 in earnings back.

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Sorry but your wrong, As i said Starluck, Planetluck, VCCASINO cash within 2Working days at the latest.

I made $55 profit on starluck, $60 on planetluck, $250 on VCCASINO. THIS IS AN AWESOME AMMOUNT OF CASH FOR A BEGINNER and to be honest the lack of education about casino whoring is whats preventing most from doing it.

"Oh its really really risky" blah blah blah.

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First, I misread your post and thought you meant you could do three casinos in a week. Second, I still disagree somewhat. Third, I am not wrong. I disagreed with you. I didn't say it was impossible, but I disagreed that it was a good, relatively easy thing to do. That is my opinion only. Other than that, I only stated facts. I said that many casinos (not all) take a week or more to get money back to you. In my experience, "normal" is anywhere from 3 days to a week. I don't remember the *luck times because it has been so long since I've done them. I agree that the month long wait I mentioned is unusual, but it is not unheard of. That is a risk you take when doing casinos. I've never heard of vccasino (actually, I may have if VC stands for what I think it might). Since I haven't done it, I can't speak for their withdrawal times.

I agree that the amount of money you mentioned is great, beginner or not. However, it is not risk free. By betting small, you can decrease the risk, but you also decrease your hourly rate. In my past 3 bonuses, I am down $415. Yes, I bet more than $1, and yes, this is 2.5 standard deviations down, but it happens. That doesn't mean don't do these bonuses, but it does mean do the math and make sure you can handle the swings before you jump in, and adjust your bets accordingly.

Another difference with casinos is that all casino bonuses (worth doing) cost the casinos a lot of money. This means that if a ton of people hit it all at once, the casino will wise up and change the terms, or in some cases, fold completely, which is what happened with the Cooks group that I mentioned above. I got my money back, but in some cases, this does not happen. I will admit that if you are careful, you can reduce the risk of getting involved in these situations, but the risk is almost always there. Anyone can do the "beginner" casinos and make a few hundred dollars, but if you want to continue after that, you need a healthy bankroll and a good tolerance of variance.

As for lack of education about casino whoring, the information is out there. I learned by doing a lot of research. I am still learning more as I go. It is worth doing, otherwise I wouldn't waste my time, but the information won't just be handed to you (except for some of the beginner stuff). It needs to be this way to keep from killing bonuses any faster than they already are being killed/terms changed. It is worth doing, but it takes a lot of time to keep up with the latest info. I'd recommend building a bankroll with poker before doing any more than the most basic casinos, but that is my personal opinion.

[Ignignokt]

IMO, all the casino whoring stuff is hijacking a good newbie poker thread.

I think we all agree that free money is great, whether from casino whoring or plasma clinics or picking up bottles by the side of the road, but the OP's point is to give people cash-efficient direction for their start in poker.