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Old 08-15-2007, 04:05 PM
PBJaxx PBJaxx is offline
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Default Re: Tough spot w/Set multi way 200 BB deep

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i fold here. if he's a solid reg, at 24/16 he's not shoving aa kk here. that's absolutely retarded for him to do. yea he could be tilting but your read is that he's solid. 33 44 is definitely in his range, 46s is definitely debatable, but whatev, i think you're behind here almost always.

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I agree with nation. Your line looks so strong. If villain is even close to solid, he will notice that you just c/r into 4 opponents on a coord flop. Seriously, if he is close to decent he doesn't stack off with AA/KK here. I would probably include ~54s in his range for a pair+oesd, but this is more commonly a set or a straight. I certainly think a 24/16 can occasionally be raising 46s UTG.

I would like to hear opinions on which is better this deep, c/r'ing or donking. There are good arguments for both.

As played, fold to the 3bet.
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Old 08-15-2007, 06:15 PM
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Default Re: Tough spot w/Set multi way 200 BB deep

I think an argument can be made for donk betting - but if you get reraised by the UTG raiser (as in this case), can we put him only on sets or pair+OESD? Overpairs do make up a good portion of his range from UTG. So here's my thoughts on the lines:

A) donk bet. If I get raised I can still think that he could have AA/KK and other hands. It doesn't define his hand as much as the C/R. So on the donk bet, I would think that it would be more likely to get a lot of chips in. Also, I'm not sure what other hands I would donk bet to balance this that I would have just called other than maybe 45c type of hands.

B) C/R - even though this line looks really strong, and it does define my hand, it also defines his (making both our actions more pure, and our hands more readable). I don't know that he would 3 bet bluff AA/KK all in often enough to make getting stacks in here.

So I that boils it down to I took line B and should fold.
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