NL50 - Is this AA/KK?

[ama0330]

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He's got a big hand that he doesn't want me to draw out on him.

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So he could have JJ, or maybe TT...or maybe AKss...O wait....we didn't learn a single thing about his hand by raising....ooopppsss

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bingo. raising for information is crap because a shove from villain usually does little or nothing to narrow his range, particularly on this board, and achieves nothing other than getting us to throw a bunch of money in the fire.

[michaelantoi]

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He's got a big hand that he doesn't want me to draw out on him.

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So he could have JJ, or maybe TT...or maybe AKss...O wait....we didn't learn a single thing about his hand by raising....ooopppsss

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bingo. raising for information is crap because a shove from villain usually does little or nothing to narrow his range, particularly on this board, and achieves nothing other than getting us to throw a bunch of money in the fire.

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Ok so we call flop bet and how do we evaluate the turn?

If a T or smaller comes?
If a T or larger comes?

I just see us playing for stacks either way here.

[michaelantoi]

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Id fold, BTW what converter did you use for that? Nice and clean!

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[XHitman014]

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don't raise the bet if you're not going to snap call a shove

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It is a 'lets see where i'm at raise'

and i'm not priced in if he shoves.

If I call and he bets a blanked turn, then I still dont know where I stand.

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At least define a range for him when he pushes. If AA,KK,JJ,AsKs you're about 3-2 behind and you're getting 2-1...you have enough equity to call.

[wooziephantom]

This is probably a call as played (with the raise on the flop) with the odds that is layed out, but I really struggle with these hands myself, I've seen to many players at these stakes overvaluing a worse overpair to be convinced that ur behind. I probably just call the flop and re-evaluate, but it doesn't get easier to lay it down on the turn to another blank...