Rate my and villain's play...

[Hyperrrprank]

I think this hand is a prime example of why having a lock on the play style of your opponents is so important. The villians in this hand are almost certainly playing their unique brands of dumb consistently. Once you note that it makes the decision to toss or call here much easier.

Against unknowns, I tend to revert to calling down when something doesn't make any sense, generally it means they've made a mistake.

[DeuceKicker]

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You cannot assume the worst and even if you do think you're beaten, folding a winner in such an enormous pot is a much bigger mistake than calling down.

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I couldn't agree more. In Small Stakes Hold'em they say one of the biggest mistakes (other than playing weak off-suit hands in EP) is folding when the pot large. "By calling you might loose a bet but by folding you loose (forfeit) the entire pot." I understand that if you had called after the reraise it might have been capped and you would have called 3 extra bets but I think the principal of this saying still applies.

[/ QUOTE ]The fact that you are calling two bets--and likely three--makes all the difference in the world, and negates the quoted passage.

No offense, but I think if OP hadn't posted the results he'd be hearing very few arguments to call the river.

[BigBadBabar]

i just read this for the first time and haven't seen results yet

cap the turn

and don't fold the river even though it's kind of gross

[Hyperrrprank]

There are no hard rules that will help here, in either direction. The only question that matters is "Am I good enough of the time to make up the cost of calling those times I'm beat".

The chance of your hand being best a large enough percentage of the time to justify the call is affected, obviously, by how many bets you need to call, but it is also affected by your opponent's skill level and playing style. You cannot make the right decision if you don't consider all factors.

[James.]

i would cap the turn.

as played, you should be raising the river. since you didn't, you sort of opened yourself up to being outplayed.

sure, it is often a muck if your read on the button is accurate. in fact, the play on the end is entirely dependent on the button because we have the BB beat here pretty much all of the time. in addition, given this is 6max and people are prone to spastic fits of retardation at these levels(missed draws, worse two pair, overpair etc.) you need to look at the overlay you are getting to make the call, sack up and put the money in.

what level of tilt did this fold induce? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Xhad]

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You cannot assume the worst and even if you do think you're beaten, folding a winner in such an enormous pot is a much bigger mistake than calling down.

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I couldn't agree more. In Small Stakes Hold'em they say one of the biggest mistakes (other than playing weak off-suit hands in EP) is folding when the pot large. "By calling you might loose a bet but by folding you loose (forfeit) the entire pot." I understand that if you had called after the reraise it might have been capped and you would have called 3 extra bets but I think the principal of this saying still applies.

[/ QUOTE ]The fact that you are calling two bets--and likely three--makes all the difference in the world, and negates the quoted passage.

No offense, but I think if OP hadn't posted the results he'd be hearing very few arguments to call the river.

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Hey, another excuse for me to post this!

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I'll give a quick river tip that will hopefully help some people. Bets mean something, but raises mean a whole lot more. They mean more still if you've called in between. For instance, just last night I folded K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on a 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] board for a single bet, closing the action in a 23BB pot...

--Ed Miller

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[timmer]

Im wondering why you didnt play the turn harder from the middle.

Ps I hate your river fold.

so, how did you do ?

<font color="white"> Ouch MUBsie. </font>

[Hipsdontlie69]

possible collusion between BB and Button.

[HoneyBadger]

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i would cap the turn.

as played, you should be raising the river. since you didn't, you sort of opened yourself up to being outplayed.


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Yeah, I wasn't too thrilled about my play. I'm new to 6max also; not used to these weird plays. In FR his turn 3-bet is almost always JJ.
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what level of tilt did this fold induce? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I sat out and timed out on the other 7 tables. I'm not sure I really tilted, can't remember. I think I just quit the session.

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possible collusion between BB and Button.

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It's funny you say that because that's exactly what my first thought was. I remember saying to myself "Woh guys, are we teaming?"

[HoneyBadger]

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Hey, another excuse for me to post this!

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I'll give a quick river tip that will hopefully help some people. Bets mean something, but raises mean a whole lot more. They mean more still if you've called in between. For instance, just last night I folded K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on a 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] board for a single bet, closing the action in a 23BB pot...

--Ed Miller

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Yeah, I have that post saved. While I don't like my play for not capping the turn, I do still think this river is a fold. If I hadn't shown weakness I'd never have been in that spot.