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#21
08-02-2007, 06:38 AM
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Re: Extremly Interesting First hand in a Stars $6.50
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If he tells you he has AK you still fold [/ QUOTE ] This is very very very wrong. [/ QUOTE ] lol, srsly, coinflips first hand of a 6.50? you don't need to take such a small edge in a 6.50, you will be able to get it in waaaaaaaaay better multiple times over the rest of the sng. [/ QUOTE ] I certainly not going to give up a 5% min edge. What if you hold AK and villain pushes saying "I have pocket 5s"? 
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#22
08-02-2007, 06:41 AM
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Re: Extremly Interesting First hand in a Stars $6.50
who cares what the villain says, its all hypothetical because you don't know for sure, and lol @ wanting to get AI first hand of a 6.50 with 55vsAK, nice edge there, what % is the rake again?
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#23
08-02-2007, 06:57 AM
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Re: Extremly Interesting First hand in a Stars $6.50
I am not saying I am calling here, this spot is a clear fold and the thread itself is uselss.
the assumption is that you know he has AK or 55. In this spots people tend to overestimate AK and underestimate pairs which is way incorrect.
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#24
08-02-2007, 07:45 AM
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Re: Extremly Interesting First hand in a Stars $6.50
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[ QUOTE ] If he tells you he has AK you still fold [/ QUOTE ] This is very very very wrong. Read famous gigabet post. [/ QUOTE ] I personally think that this is very bad advice for low stakes Sit & Go's. You should always fold 55 this early, if your opponent is holding AK. This is something related to Sklansky's "You're broke - You're gone" topic and by this, I mean you consider yourself being better ( Or even best ) than majority of the entrants on the field.
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#25
08-02-2007, 07:57 AM
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Re: Extremly Interesting First hand in a Stars $6.50
If we knew he would do this with atc, it would be 60/40 in our favor. Hard to pass such an edge, even in an SNG in my opinion.
But as we dont know, what his pushing rang is, we cant realy call for obv. reasons. So i would fold here in light speed.
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#26
08-02-2007, 08:09 AM
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Re: Extremly Interesting First hand in a Stars $6.50
Let' say you pass.
Would you fold anything besides AA and KK? If you are suggesting folding a pair vs AK then you have to consider that pushing AK is always correct preflop. If I have AK and I am sure you will fold anything else than AA and KK I will have to push in hand 1 because otherwise I will massively underdog seeing only 3 cards. AK is willing to push to see 5 cards but if he pushes you fold at the same time AK pushes knowing is underdog. So who is doing the mistake? Clearly whoever is passing the edge. With cards face up is always incorrect, excluding bubble plays, to pass an edge; assumptions like "i am so much better than my opponents that I can pass this one" are totally irrelevant. I also understand your point that in a 6.5 you might actually have the edge later on but let's say you are playing a 300$+ where you know your edge is close to 0, are you going to pass consistently these spots?
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#27
08-02-2007, 08:34 AM
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Re: Extremly Interesting First hand in a Stars $6.50
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If he tells you he has AK you still fold [/ QUOTE ] This is very very very wrong. [/ QUOTE ] lol, srsly, coinflips first hand of a 6.50? you don't need to take such a small edge in a 6.50, you will be able to get it in waaaaaaaaay better multiple times over the rest of the sng. [/ QUOTE ] I certainly not going to give up a 5% min edge. What if you hold AK and villain pushes saying "I have pocket 5s"? [/ QUOTE ] AKo you have an .5% edge. AK? you have an .3% edge. AKs is very slightly -$EV. If villian turned over his cards and they AKo I would call here and fold if suited. He would have to show me first though as this gets -$EV if u factor a % of villians who tell porkies about their holdings.
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#28
08-02-2007, 08:46 AM
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Re: Extremly Interesting First hand in a Stars $6.50
Some people seem to be missing the point here ...
We pass up this slight edge here because we can surely find many many many better spots to get the money all-in. Blinds are super low, etc. Also in tournaments there are two EV's to consider, chip and $. Calling 55 vs AK is +CEV barely, but I can almost guarantee you it's barely -$EV. If you lose you're out, if you double up it is still early, you can take a few beats, play a few hands badly, etc and not cash.
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#29
08-02-2007, 09:01 AM
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Re: Extremly Interesting First hand in a Stars $6.50
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Some people seem to be missing the point here ... We pass up this slight edge here because we can surely find many many many better spots to get the money all-in. Blinds are super low, etc. Also in tournaments there are two EV's to consider, chip and $. Calling 55 vs AK is +CEV barely, but I can almost guarantee you it's barely -$EV. If you lose you're out, if you double up it is still early, you can take a few beats, play a few hands badly, etc and not cash. [/ QUOTE ] I will repeat the maths 55 against AK is +.3%$EV 55 Against AKo is +.5%$EV 55 against AKs is -0.02%$EV IMO u cannot pass up 0.5%$EV equity at any stage in a SNG. So if you have some software that allows u to see that villian has AKo you must call here.
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#30
08-02-2007, 09:04 AM
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Re: Extremly Interesting First hand in a Stars $6.50
Someone have the link from gigabet post? I remember but dontīt found it.
I also believe that in the low level sngs our edge is greater in the last levels of blinds. PS. Lol at op min-raise
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