NL25 KK PF

[KurtSF]

With 800 hands of stats and 200bb stacks I would have to think about it, at least.

However, just to pile on, this is a fist pump and call.

[ranka]

I cant fold it! Call and it is very profitable in long term. At this limit people will reraise with any junk - TT+, AK, even AQs.

[hielo_uno]

i call this for sure, if he didnt shove, but raise to like 12, thats more likely to be aces. but no harm in folding if you got a bad feel.

[TheRedRocket]

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but no harm in folding if you got a bad feel.

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way way wrong

[Klompy]

I'd be really curious to see someone who has a decent sample size show us what the average 4 bet range is at 25nl, even better if we can limit it to people with a pfr of 6. I think this is a lot closer then most people are saying.

edit: to add, obv stack size is important too

[osh]

can't fold there, too...

what could be your stats over those 83 hands you played together?

[piebear]

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but no harm in folding if you got a bad feel.

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way way wrong

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what?

You folded yourself - why are you condeming someone else play when they suggested you do exactly what you did.

and I shove here 100% - never call

[ryang]

i had a utg at the .25/.50 level open raise for $7, had KK, pushed, he pretty much snap called with 99, dont fold KK pf.

[SlightlyMad]

Okay, what if it isn't a push that you're up against?

I was up against a 12/4/1.2 player (75 hands played against him) at NL$25 the other day (my stats were somewhat horrible ... 20/3/2 ... yeah, I'm working on it), and the raises went similarly: $1, $4, $16. And he had $10 behind after raising to $16.

If he had pushed, I would have called instantly, but I ate up most of my timer before pushing all-in in this case. It would've been the second time I folded KK pre-flop in a cash game ever ... the first time being when a 6/0.3/3 nit 4-bet in a limit game; I was playing over my bankroll at the time, and it had been 4-bet before it reached me on the button.