KQo in 3bet pot

[Novles]

that's just his calling range, good luck trying to put in a range for air.

[bruin]

thanks a lot novles

[tarheeljks]

based on our equity against this range novles gave, we get fe as follows:


if 0<=x<=100, x= villain's call frequency.

x[($286*.35)-($184*.65)] + (1-x)(132)

x[-20] + 132 - 132x = 0
132 = 152x

x= 0.868 = ~0.87


this implies villain needs to fold (1-x) = ~0.13, 13% of the time to break even.

[Dan Bitel]

We have FE here for sure. I have seen sooo many players minraise a cbet in a rr pot as way of bluffing b/c its so cheap and b/c we have air pretty often due to 3betting light

[Thinky]

shove >> call..lot of times this is just a tester min-raise to see if you have an overpair.

[ThePlan]

[ QUOTE ]
We have FE here for sure. I have seen sooo many players minraise a cbet in a rr pot as way of bluffing b/c its so cheap and b/c we have air pretty often due to 3betting light

[/ QUOTE ]

This is the main reason I posted this hand. Does the minraise mean a monster trying to get paid off, or air trying to get us off our hand at a cheap price? I've seen this move used a couple times on me, but I've never had a hand I could continue with until now.

I'd like to hear some more responses on this topic before I post results.

[ThePlan]

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When we shove, he calls and we win, we get $286.
When we shove, he calls and we lose, we lose $184.
When we shove and he folds, we get $132.

Assuming a range of:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

38,610 games 0.015 secs 2,574,000 games/sec

Board: Ts Jd 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.359% 35.05% 00.31% 13534 118.00 { KsQc }
Hand 1: 64.641% 64.34% 00.31% 24840 118.00 { TT+, 33, AJs, KJs, QJs, JTs, AJo }


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When he calls, we have an EV of -$20 = ($286*.35)-($184*.65). When he folds, we have an EV of $132. I don't know if there's an easy way to solve for x, but you can get pretty close just by taking 20/132. So if he folds about 15% of the time and his this call range, a push is nuetral.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is really cool that he hardly has to fold at all to make it an even push. Although, I think you can take out KJ and QJ and add in some air or something. Thanks for figuring this stuff out, I really need to pokerstove more ...

[ThePlan]

Guess there isn't much more to say on this... I ended up shoving, and he snapcalled with JJ, I didn't improve.